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Canadians want Fox News Now!

 
 
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 14 Feb, 2005 10:15 am
Lola:-

Aw shucks.

My fav. poster shows up just when my time is up.
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Ethel2
 
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Reply Mon 14 Feb, 2005 10:19 am
I'm trying to meet my deadline anyway, dearie. It's tomorrow. See you soon. And buy a computer, will ya? It's 2005, in case you didn't notice.
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spendius
 
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Reply Mon 14 Feb, 2005 10:30 am
Lola:-

I tend to treat my residence as an oasis of calm in the midst of the mad Faustian charge to the cliff edge.A computer in the residence of Spendius would be like a street cleaning machine in the Garden of Eden.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Mon 14 Feb, 2005 10:35 am
Quote:
A deafening silence

WHEN the web logger Laer (Cheat Seeking Missiles) called to cancel his 25-year subscription to the Los Angeles Times last Monday, he was made an extraordinary offer. The circulation service rep, detecting that he was fed up with the paper's liberal bias, offered to sell him the newspaper without the news sections. Laer was thunderstruck.

"How often must the beleaguered circulation department be dealing with calls like mine, for them to come up with a special like this?" he wrote. (On Wednesday, an L.A. Times exec wrote back, denying that the Times offers to sell partial copies of the paper, but thanking Laer "for bringing this to our attention.")

Hundreds of readers canceled their subscriptions to the Philadelphia Inquirer during the election campaign, and the circulation department there is making its editors call to try to lure them back.

Since the primary reason given for the cancellations was the Inquirer's 21 straight days of editorials praising John Kerry and attacking President Bush, it's doubtful those who wrote the editorials will be effective wooers.

A controversy you've probably heard about, and one that many people haven't, illustrate why readers cancel subscriptions.

"It's fun to shoot some people," Lt. Gen. James Mattis said at a conference in San Diego Feb. 1. "You go into Afghanistan, you've got guys who slap women around for five years because they didn't wear a veil. Guys like that ain't got no manhood left anyway, so it's a helluva lot of fun to shoot them."

General Mattis' remarks caused conniption fits throughout the news media. Typical was the Miami Herald, which said General Mattis should have been given a tougher punishment than the verbal reprimand he received from the commandant of the Marine Corps. "His callous remarks make light of the terrible toll of war," the Herald whined.

General Mattis - arguably our most effective combat leader - already has been ably defended by my friends Ralph Peters and Mac Owens. But I enthusiastically second his sentiment. If I were still a young Marine, I would take enormous pleasure in personally sending Islamofascists to hell.

Journalists who got their panties twisted over General Mattis apparently see nothing newsworthy about having the head of news for CNN accuse the U.S. military of deliberately killing journalists.

CNN's Eason Jordan told a panel at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland that "he knew of about 12 journalists who had not only been killed by American troops, but had been targeted as a matter of policy," said Rep. Barney Frank (D., Mass.), who was there, and demanded proof, which Mr. Jordan could not supply.

The Davos confab ended Jan. 30. Many journalists were there. Yet in a column published Feb. 5, I became the first "mainstream" journalist to mention Mr. Jordan's remarks.

The silence is puzzling. If what Mr. Jordan said were true, it would be a bigger scandal than Abu Ghraib, about which we in the media have made sure you have heard. And if CNN's top news executive slandered U.S. troops, that also is - or ought to be - news.

Washington Post media analyst Howard Kurtz finally wrote something on Feb. 7. Mr. Kurtz omitted eyewitness testimony from Mr. Frank and Sen. Chris Dodd (D., Conn); reported panel moderator David Gergen as saying something quite different from what he told columnist Michelle Malkin, and skipped over suppression of a videotape of the discussion.

Mr. Kurtz also failed to mention he has a show on CNN. "If a PR agent or damage control spinner produced a piece designed to try and save CNN exec Eason Jordan's job, it would be the piece Kurtz wrote," said web logger and former Democratic political operative Mickey Kaus.

It goes without saying that CNN has yet to report on the controversy. ABC, CBS, and NBC have so far ignored it, too.

The editor of the Post-Gazette recently held a discussion with staff about the future of the news business, and the topic of web logs naturally emerged. The consensus seemed to be that we needn't worry much about them, because we report the news and bloggers only offer their opinions. But the Eason Jordan story was brought to our attention by a web logger, and it was other bloggers who uncovered earlier remarks by Mr. Jordan in the same vein. Seems like reporting to me.

The earth rumbles, and we think it's our big feet, stomping the Lilliputians. But what if it's an earthquake about to swallow us up?

Jack Kelly is national security writer for The Blade and the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette.
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Ethel2
 
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Reply Mon 14 Feb, 2005 10:36 am
Quote:
Lola:-

I tend to treat my residence as an oasis of calm in the midst of the mad Faustian charge to the cliff edge.A computer in the residence of Spendius would be like a steet cleaning machine in the Garden of Eden.


Well, what's the harm in that? Mr. Adam. Haven't you tasted the forbidden fruit already? It's too late for you now. Hiss hiss.

Note to self: Do not turn a2k back on until work is finished and turned in.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Mon 14 Feb, 2005 11:17 am
I wonder how many would think that the following is journalism? written by a journalist?

Will Blogs Produce a Chilling Effect?

By James D. Miller Published 02/14/2005

Imagine that mind reading were suddenly imposed on humanity automatically transmitting all our thoughts to those around us. Involuntary telepathy would destroy countless marriages as wives learned of their husbands perverse fantasies. Bosses would fire millions after they found out what their employees really thought of them. Police would be inundated with reports of ordinary citizens contemplating hideous crimes. But eventually we would realize that all humans harbor evil thoughts and an equilibrium would emerge in which we forgave bad thoughts that didn't lead to terrible deeds.

People have more control over their spoken words than their unannounced thoughts, but occasionally most of us still say things we later regret. Recently, three powerful men have been damaged or brought down by their own utterances. Eason Jordan resigned his position as top news executive at CNN because he had allegedly said that the U.S. military was deliberately killing journalists in Iraq. Trent Lott had to give up his position as Senate Majority Leader because of his too-profuse praise of former segregationist Senator Strom Thurmond. And the not-yet former president of Harvard Larry Summers was forced to repent and apologize for suggesting that biological differences might explain the paucity of female science professors.



Of the three, Dr. Summers should have been most aware of the trouble his comments would incite. Dr. Summers' speculations on the biological differences between the sexes violated the multicultural faith of academia, which ascribes all such differences to discrimination. And the academy does not well tolerate its heretics.



One can understand why Trent Lott and Eason Jordan didn't think their comments would draw mortally wounding fire. Senators often praised old racists colleagues and the media had never previously cared. Jordan was speaking off camera to mostly like-minded fellows and he must have assumed that the media would never turn on one of its own for the politically correct sin of savaging the U.S. military. Both men were brought down by blogs that continually discussed their comments until enough Americans were angered such that the two could not keep their positions without harming their colleagues.



I fear that blogs may soon make many Americans afraid to speak their minds. Imagine you're a manager of a company. Your new blog nightmare is that you will say something stupid in a meeting and this will be reported in a blog. Other blogs will report the initial comment and soon whatever group you have offended will pressure your company to fire you. Or perhaps your distasteful remark will go unreported until you're promoted to CEO. Then your employees, while blogging about what kind of boss you are, will literally tell the world about your past unfortunate utterance.



I suspect that most of us have made comments at work more offensive than the statements that got Lott and Jordan fired. Unless we change the rules of engagement ambitious people will start being extremely circumspect in conversation with those they don't completely trust.



I plead for a new social order under which a few offensive spoken remarks, even if highly odious and taken in context, are forgiven. Most everyone has some fairly nasty thoughts and occasionally these thoughts turn into speech. If we allow a few obnoxious comments to destroy someone's career, many will avoid engaging in freewheeling discussions.



James D. Miller writes The Game Theorist column for TCS and is the author of Game Theory at Work.
http://www.techcentralstation.com/021405G.html
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 14 Feb, 2005 11:47 am
Foxfyre wrote:
I wonder how many would think that the following is journalism? written by a journalist?


As far as I can see, Tech Central Station is an online magazine, and the author of that column has written a book.

So, in my opinion, it's certainly journalism, not necessarily written by a journalist.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Mon 14 Feb, 2005 11:49 am
Well that's an interesting distinction. And to think that I have accused you liberals of being unable to think multi-dimensionally. Smile
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Mon 14 Feb, 2005 11:52 am
Blogs have certainly changed things.

As has the internet.

As did the printing press.




Sorting out all of the information can be difficult, but it's good. The more cast-in-stone ideas are challenged the better. There's simply nothing good about living in a gated community - IRL or in your mind.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Mon 14 Feb, 2005 03:03 pm
What is the issue you appear to have with expecting ethics from journalists, Fox? (If I am reading your sarcasm right)

What are your expectations?
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Mon 14 Feb, 2005 03:06 pm
I have no issue at all D. Haven't said that I did. I'm just saying that many (most?) of those touted as journalists these days don't follow a code of ethics very well.

What problem do you have with me saying that?
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dlowan
 
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Reply Mon 14 Feb, 2005 03:08 pm
Hmmm - dear General Matti. Here is a post from Snood on another thread:

"I think I have to admit that my position on this one isn't where it needs to be. After doing some reading up on Lieutenant General Mattis, I have come to some different conclusions. It seems that he was the same commander who, when confronted with the photographic evidence of a decimated wedding party in western Iraq, said this... "Ten miles from the Syrian border and 80 miles from the nearest city and a wedding party? Don't be naïve. Plus they had 30 males of military age with them. How many people go to the middle of the desert to have a wedding party?".
As a commander of signal importance to the US military forces in Iraq he should have had some knowledge that the area they were bombing is home to thousands of families, settled and nomadic, who have relatives and friends in villages, towns and cities, and that these people come to visit on occasions of celebration or grief. He seems to show an alarming mixture of indifference and ignorance and hubris.
Although I had originally chosen to defend this man who holds the lives of so many marines in his hands, I now have to agree with those who have castigated him here.
It is sad and frightening that this is the kind of attitude a man this powerful in our military has. "

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=1177746#1177746


(Hope Snood doesn't mind my posting his research here)
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dlowan
 
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Reply Mon 14 Feb, 2005 03:11 pm
Foxfyre wrote:
I have no issue at all D. Haven't said that I did. I'm just saying that many (most?) of those touted as journalists these days don't follow a code of ethics very well.

What problem do you have with me saying that?


Then if you have no problem with it, why the sarcasm?

Fox - say whatever you like. Do you have a problem with me questioning you about what you say? I am merely trying to understand where on earth you are coming from in this.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Mon 14 Feb, 2005 03:15 pm
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Mon 14 Feb, 2005 03:16 pm
You really have a marvellous skill at digression, Foxfyre.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Mon 14 Feb, 2005 03:18 pm
ehBeth wrote:
You really have a marvellous skill at digression, Foxfyre.


What I just witnessed was her effort to circumvent an attempt at digression. What were you watching?
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Mon 14 Feb, 2005 03:18 pm
What sarcasm? What digression? Seems to me I'm staying on point here. Now those of you who don't like my points are certainly willing to say so. Engage in ad hominem attacks or try to put words in my mouth, and yeah, depending on my mood, I can be sarcastic. When I digress I usually say so.
I don't see how I've done either in this thread today.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Mon 14 Feb, 2005 03:20 pm
Canadians want Fox News now.


That's what I was watching. And marvelling at. It's a talent, no doubt about it.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Mon 14 Feb, 2005 03:21 pm
JustWonders wrote:
dlowan wrote:
JustWonders wrote:
DL...just curious. Did the Australian version of 60 Minutes really pay Habib $100K (I also read a report it was $200K) for his story?

Do they routinely pay for interviews, do you know?


They paid - don't know how much.

I seldom watch - but I think they do pay sometimes - I have no idea how often.

They're on the Murdoch station.

I would have watched - though I am generally unimpressed with their tabloid style, and with payment of subjects - because it is an interesting story. But - I was out last night.


Ahhhh. The article I read said the paid interview was televised on Australia's Nine Network television station. Did Murdoch recently buy it? Wilkipedia says it's owned by Kerry Packer.


Lol! That'll teach me not to bother with Nine much!!!!

There was a massive buy/sell thing a few years ago. Here, media lords are only allowed to own a certain percentage of the media. Murdoch must just have Fox these days.

Good one JW!

Packer is the OTHER Oz media baron - but one who keeps his interests more at home.

Known here as "The Crocodile (or Alligator???) his politics are also very right wing. He is so rich that he is known for gambling millions in a single night at various casinos.

Both he and Murdoch are ailing. Packer has heart and kidney problems - Murdoch has cancer - or did have.

It will be interesting to see what the various kiddies do with these empires in a few years.

I would have to look up Packer's media interests to see how much he interferes editorially.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Mon 14 Feb, 2005 03:23 pm
For the record, I heartily support journlistic ethics and in no post at any time on any thread have I said or suggested otherwise.

I think modern journalism to be largely lacking in ethics required of media journlists in another age.

I don't think comments by a military officer to be pertinent to this topic except as he may have been misquote or characterized out of context.

I will go toe to toe on anybody who can actually engage in an discussion/debate/argument without resorting to personally directed characterizations and/or personal insults. I will hold in utter contempt and will generally ignore any who cannot do that which is my prerogative for my enjoyment in participating in the forum.

Okay, any questions?
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