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Canadians want Fox News Now!

 
 
Ethel2
 
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Reply Sun 30 Jan, 2005 03:39 pm
Caught again by a haughty Canadian! It seems I'm the most foolish of all. I should be more careful in my choice of friends.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 30 Jan, 2005 03:42 pm
Lola wrote:
It seems I'm the most foolish of all. I should be more careful in my choice of friends.


Some of the men here are really terrible, Lola.

As far as I can see, there aren't many exceptions besides me in the memberlist. (If any at all.)
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Dookiestix
 
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Reply Sun 30 Jan, 2005 04:18 pm
blatham:

I apologize for the utter stupidity and narrowmindedness of the neoconservative rightwing nutjobs who feel it important to project their self-righteous fascist ideologies on to our good neighbors up North.

The idea of any of these boneheads gloating over the incursion of American corporate media for the sole purpose of brainwashing the masses up North is nothing short of sickening.

But it is to be expected, as I'm sure you well know.

Thank god I'm nowhere near these individuals.
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Ethel2
 
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Reply Sun 30 Jan, 2005 04:54 pm
You're a winner Walter. I'm sure you're another exception to Blatham's rule.
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blatham
 
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Reply Sun 30 Jan, 2005 05:13 pm
Walter - germanus terriblus
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ConstitutionalGirl
 
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Reply Sun 30 Jan, 2005 05:14 pm
I hate to ruin this, "but you Liberal Canadian's do realize that FOX is the most Conservatie Right Wing TV Media?"
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Sun 30 Jan, 2005 05:21 pm
What Liberal Canajuns do you think you're talking to?

If I happen to be one of them, you should know I have access to the American alphabets - and they're all pretty much the same glop from this angle. Ask John Roberts why he had to change his name to become a talking head on an American network. Glop.
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blatham
 
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Reply Sun 30 Jan, 2005 05:34 pm
Dookiestix wrote:
blatham:

I apologize for the utter stupidity and narrowmindedness of the neoconservative rightwing nutjobs who feel it important to project their self-righteous fascist ideologies on to our good neighbors up North.

The idea of any of these boneheads gloating over the incursion of American corporate media for the sole purpose of brainwashing the masses up North is nothing short of sickening.

But it is to be expected, as I'm sure you well know.

Thank god I'm nowhere near these individuals.


dookie

No need to apologize. The mechanics of propaganda work in exactly the manner we are seeing here. There's another thread on this same topic that is even more amazing... http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=39274&start=90

These folks are locked into a rightwing media machine which was designed to produce exactly this consequence. They almost never read from outside of it...because it has convinced them they will go wrong if they do.

Lincoln figured that America could never be brought down by any external entity, that it would fail because of what it did to itself.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Sun 30 Jan, 2005 06:05 pm
The Canadians are just as free as Americans to decide for themselves what they wish to watch or not watch. I really do not think anyone should be censoring or defining what Canadians can or cannot watch. Last I checked, they were adults.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Sun 30 Jan, 2005 06:10 pm
Yup - which is why Fox can enter the Cdn cable market now that it's unbundled.
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blatham
 
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Reply Sun 30 Jan, 2005 06:38 pm
McGentrix wrote:
The Canadians are just as free as Americans to decide for themselves what they wish to watch or not watch. I really do not think anyone should be censoring or defining what Canadians can or cannot watch. Last I checked, they were adults.


McG

Censorship...in this context that would mean the state restricting the expression of any particular political viewpoint...surely can't be allowed if one wishes maximal diversity of political ideas.

But if maximal diversity is the ideal, then other sorts of threats besides state censorship come into play.

And the primary threat becomes monopoly ownership or control of media outlets, which can easily produce the same consequence...singular viewpoint available for the citizenry.

What has happened in the US over the last two or three decades exemplifies the danger of trusting to a deregulated media environment. So, what has happened?

An alternate media environment has been established by a group of ideologically-driven individuals and organizations. It's been very well funded and includes radio, tv, the internet, and think tanks. It's purpose is to forward a singular set of political ideas and communication techniques...Grover Norquist voices that as follows..."
Quote:
The conservative press is self-consciously conservative and self-consciously part of the team. The liberal press is much larger, but at the same time it sees itself as the establishment press. So it's conflicted. Sometimes it thinks it needs to be critical of both sides."


To the degree that such a media network seeks to, and is successful at, replacing an objective or 'critical of both sides' media, it becomes a real threat to democracy.
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blatham
 
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Reply Sun 30 Jan, 2005 06:41 pm
ps...media rules in the US formerly mandated balanced coverage of viewpoint. Deregulation eviscerated that requirement.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Sun 30 Jan, 2005 06:48 pm
Fox Cable in the US is about as close to a state TV as possible. The "heads" are all suck-ups to the administration and then they have the cojones to criticize the "liberal controlled media"

I think satellite radio will have a brief run of relative programming freedom. Then someone , sometime, will find a way to direct the POV and the moral tones of the new kid on the block
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blatham
 
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Reply Sun 30 Jan, 2005 06:53 pm
farmerperson

Yes, it really is comparable, if less egregious, to a state-controlled PR outlet, such as Pravda functioned for the communist party in the USSR. And that is the danger.

thomas argues that free market mechanisms are the best means to achieve diversity but he's not a fan of regulation as a matter of fundamental political ideology.

What has happened in the US argues pretty persuasively that he has it wrong.
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JTT
 
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Reply Sun 30 Jan, 2005 07:11 pm
JustWonders wrote:
blatham - It appears that insulting me somehow eases your insecurities. If it makes you feel better, I sincerely doubt Fox will make that much of a difference up there (although it seems one or two of our northern neighbors are receptive to it).

Perhaps your anger would be better directed at Judi McLeod or Rachel Marsden (her email is in the article).

My Dad (a doc) has several research colleagues in Canada. I could tell you what he's hearing from them, but of course, that would be anecdotal (therefore irrelevant) and might further increase your discomfort. We don't want that Smile


MORE QUOTES FROM JW:
"The letters that poured in within the first day after the column affirm my belief that mainstream Canada wants Fox NOW."

"So many letters from fellow Canadians also gave me a personal boost."

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

What anyone wants, JW, is that journalists, like you, don't get caught up in believing, [as Bill O'Reilly does], that the support of a few folks establishes their ideas as credible.

This type of delusionary fantasy extends all the way up the ladder to the C in C, who relies on a compliant staff to handfeed him doctored info.

"Personal boosts" are fine for the ego and we all like to get them, but they fall a long ways short of satisfying any rigorous standards, the kind that journalists are supposed to seek.

So, this leads me to suggest to you that 'anecdotal', the high standard that Bill O'Reilly and the gang at Fox set for themselves, is not something that a journalist should strive to include in her articles.

Any luck on finding those stats to support the title of your 'article'?
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dlowan
 
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Reply Sun 30 Jan, 2005 08:19 pm
dyslexia wrote:
The vociferous, increasingly intolerant conservative commentator Ann Coulter said recently on Fox News: "It's always the worst Americans who end up going (to Canada) -- the Tories after the Revolutionary War, the Vietnam draft dodgers after Vietnam. And now, after this election, you have the blue-state people moving up there. They better hope the United States doesn't roll over one night and crush them. They are lucky we allow them to exist on the same continent."
To many people planning their move, such comments are merely another reason to get packing. As soon as they can.


That woman appears to me to have gone from hateful and bizarre to almost certifiably insane.

Judging only from the quotes of her stuff I read here, though.

Is this change apparent to those closer to her? Is it just part of what seems to be an unleashing of extra awfulness since the election from the ultra-right?
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blatham
 
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Reply Mon 31 Jan, 2005 03:31 am
deb

She's been bad (dishonest, hateful) for a long time, going back to the beginnings of the Clinton administration. But probably she's gotten worse, increasingly strident and transparent in her ultra-extremism ("we ought to go over there and kill the Muslim leaders and convert all the people to Christianity') since the Bush win over Gore and the domination of both houses by Republicans. And coincident with the growing influence of the radical right media machine, in which she is a key player.
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spendius
 
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Reply Mon 31 Jan, 2005 04:28 am
JW:-

"It appears","somehow", does not add up to proof of anybody's "insecurities".

And "sincerely doubt" doesn't make all that much difference to how much difference Fox makes anywhere.

And while we are at the knitting where does "seems" come from?

One would like to think that someone with a "doc" for a Dad and one who has "research colleagues" as well would eschew such slippery words and phrases.Does having such a Dad add credence in that zone of flannel.It doesn't here.

And what is so upsetting about increasing blatham's discomfort even assuming that we could do.Anyway-I don't know that blatham did insult you.
I read the post (well-some of it) and I wouldn't say that he is all that far off the mark.Two sentences of that sort of thing and I usually turn my attention to the next thing more in hope than expectation because an editor who allows that is capable of continuing in the same line of work.If you can't see why I suggest you focus on words like "droves" and
"insightful" and "dramatic improvement" and "more professional" and "left wing slanted" and "balance deprived" and "poured in" and "affirm".Who sent in the letters?The 1st para is meaningless.Hence there isn't much point in reading on.

spendius.
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woiyo
 
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Reply Mon 31 Jan, 2005 07:14 am
farmerman wrote:
Fox Cable in the US is about as close to a state TV as possible. The "heads" are all suck-ups to the administration and then they have the cojones to criticize the "liberal controlled media"

I think satellite radio will have a brief run of relative programming freedom. Then someone , sometime, will find a way to direct the POV and the moral tones of the new kid on the block


Funny how CNN, NBC, CBS, ABC say this about FOX yet, those networks were up "BUBBAS" butt for 8 years and you all did not complain.
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JustWonders
 
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Reply Mon 31 Jan, 2005 08:17 am
spendius wrote:
JW:-

"It appears","somehow", does not add up to proof of anybody's "insecurities".

And "sincerely doubt" doesn't make all that much difference to how much difference Fox makes anywhere.

And while we are at the knitting where does "seems" come from?

One would like to think that someone with a "doc" for a Dad and one who has "research colleagues" as well would eschew such slippery words and phrases.Does having such a Dad add credence in that zone of flannel.It doesn't here.

And what is so upsetting about increasing blatham's discomfort even assuming that we could do.Anyway-I don't know that blatham did insult you.
I read the post (well-some of it) and I wouldn't say that he is all that far off the mark.Two sentences of that sort of thing and I usually turn my attention to the next thing more in hope than expectation because an editor who allows that is capable of continuing in the same line of work.If you can't see why I suggest you focus on words like "droves" and
"insightful" and "dramatic improvement" and "more professional" and "left wing slanted" and "balance deprived" and "poured in" and "affirm".Who sent in the letters?The 1st para is meaningless.Hence there isn't much point in reading on.

spendius.


blatham often answers posts with which he disagrees with insults to the poster. The article in question was interesting to me, given the numerous mentions of Fox News on this forum, so I offered it in that context. He could have as easily directed his comments to the author or limited them to the content, with which he obviously disagrees.

Commenting on my education or suggesting suitable employment for me isn't necessary.

I do sincerely think Fox News won't make much of a difference in Canada, politically. That is merely my opinion and pretty much the only one I have concerning the article. I had offered no opinion concerning the article prior to blatham's retort so he didn't really know my opinions of it and had no reason to offer personal opinions of me.

Many contributors here offer various media articles for discussion - some that they agree with and some with which they have opposing viewpoints. It's my belief that it's the content of the articles that should be discussed, but I may be in the minority with that opinion.

I still say if anyone has a problem with the content of Ms. McLeod's article or Ms. Marsden's comments therein, that discourse should be directed towards them.

My reference to my Dad and his profession was meant for no reasons suggested here, but perhaps more a defensive response towards blatham's first sarcastic sentence informing me of my knowledge of Canadian politics. I suppose I could have as easily have said "My Dad (a ditch digger) has research colleagues." Make of it what you will.

So, back to the article, Spendius - if you take exception to Ms. McLeod's using words like "droves" and "insightful" and "dramatic improvement" and "more professional" and "left wing slanted" and "balance deprived" and "poured in" and "affirm", perhaps you should address your remarks to her. I have no opinion of what she wrote beyond what I've stated.

I have a feeling she's received plenty of emails from both sides of her controversial article. Maybe she'll even send you a reply Smile
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