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Canadians want Fox News Now!

 
 
spendius
 
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Reply Tue 15 Feb, 2005 06:57 am
There's no such thing as journalistic ethics.There's no such thing as ethics either.

Fox News,or any other news,will put out from any shore,pull on any rope or push on any button which they feel will maximise their dividend to shareholders.So long as they stay within the law they would be abdicating their responsibility to do otherwise.Canadians will decide by their choices whether they want Fox News or not just like they do with ice-cream flavours.This debate is futile.It is about nothing else than Canadian citizens.In GB Ltd
journalists are known as "hacks" and they are said to congregate in "Grub St."
This whole debate,if such it may be called,is 100% socialist.It springs from city culture.It is a sign of exhaustian.It is urban shouting down rural and the big laugh is that you don't even know it.Why do you think that fox-hunting and hare-coursing will be illegal here from this next Friday.It is because urban media found a market niche in appealing to the bleeding hearts and gave them a semblance of their alienated life still having some meaning.Why else has my post been ignored in favour of more of the "it is"--"no it isn't"--yes it is"--no it isn't" type of argument so common in girl's school playgrounds.
Fox News,and all the other city media centres,appeal not to the best but to the most,and it values it's means according to the success obtained.It is intellectual prostitution by words and it dominates the megalopolitan market.It is anti-Christian.It is noisy,urban,demagogic and imperial.
The apostles were fishermen and peasants.Paul was a man of the marketplace.News is a marketable commodity just like peanuts and sex and love.It is a part of Diatribe.
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JTT
 
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Reply Tue 15 Feb, 2005 07:21 am
Reading from the gospel, Genesis; Chapter 6 Verse 10, and Spendius did lambaste the heathens
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JTT
 
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Reply Tue 15 Feb, 2005 07:24 am
timberlandko wrote:
http://img185.exs.cx/img185/9153/setupz4gj.gif


:wink: Laughing Laughing :wink:


Fantabulous Timber, simply fantabulous!
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spendius
 
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Reply Tue 15 Feb, 2005 07:53 am
JTT:-

No he didn't.
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blatham
 
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Reply Tue 15 Feb, 2005 09:03 am
Quiet now, I'm talking....

Quote:
Last week I quoted the scary Washington Times' backer, the Unification Church leader Rev. Sun Myung Moon ("Satan's harvest is America," was just one of that charmers' comments), whose paper Al Gore two weeks ago charged was "part and parcel of the Republican Party." Some people wrote in with the rather weak but nonetheless entertainable argument that Moon funds the paper but he has a "hands-off" approach and let's the editors do what they want. (George H.W. Bush made the same claim, by the way-even though a former Washington Times editor has stated otherwise-back in 1996, when Papa Bush collected $100,000 from Moon and his cult for a speaking engagement at which Bush praised the publication as "a paper that in my view brings sanity to Washington, D.C.")

So, let's take a look at the views and not-so-hidden agenda of one of the actual editors of the paper, specifically, assistant national editor Robert Stacy McCain, who has a habit of posting commentary on message boards and elsewhere around the Internet:

"[T]he media now force interracial images into the public mind and a number of perfectly rational people react to these images with an altogether natural revulsion. The white person who does not mind transacting business with a black bank clerk may yet be averse to accepting the clerk as his sister-in-law, and THIS IS NOT RACISM, no matter what Madison Avenue, Hollywood and Washington tell us."

Yes, you read that right: a "natural revulsion" and "THIS IS NOT RACISM."

That was posted by Robert Stacy McCain (who has contributed to New York Press in the past) on a website called Reclaiming the South. The Washington Times editor posts a lot on the right-wing FreeRepublic.com as well, using an assumed name (BurkeCalhounDabney) but often linking back to his personal website, where there are photos of him and the rest of his large family of Seventh Day Adventists (and which identifies him by his real name and as a Washington Times editor). Editor McCain, who hails from Rome, GA, is one of those Confederate types who still hasn't gotten over the Civil War and is trying to get the South to secede. He's a member of a Southern secessionist organization called League of the South. Here's a quote from that group's leader, Michael Hill:

"The day of Southern guilt is over-THE SOUTH WAS RIGHT-and let us not forget that salient fact. NO APOLOGIES FOR SLAVERY should be made. In both the Old and New Testaments slavery is sanctioned and regulated according to God's word. Thus, when practiced in accord with Holy Scripture, it is NOT A SIN. Our ancestors were not evil men because they held slaves. This issue is our Achilles Heel, and the only way to deal with it is to confront our accusers boldly and without guilt. After all, what we are really upholding is GOD'S WORD. Let us fear Him, and we'll fear no man."
http://www.nypress.com/print.cfm?content_id=7431
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blatham
 
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Reply Tue 15 Feb, 2005 09:17 am
Ticomaya wrote:
ehBeth wrote:
Canadians want Fox News now.


That's what I was watching. And marvelling at. It's a talent, no doubt about it.


LOL. I suppose this thread digressed circa page 4, in that event..... Laughing

Foxy was trying to keep focused on the topic which has dominated the latter pages - journalistic ethics. The connection of the discussion of Snood's opinion on that marine General to this topic seemed awfully tenuous.


I think snood was making his comments in response to some posts earlier on this thread.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Tue 15 Feb, 2005 09:38 am
blatham wrote:
Ticomaya wrote:
ehBeth wrote:
Canadians want Fox News now.


That's what I was watching. And marvelling at. It's a talent, no doubt about it.


LOL. I suppose this thread digressed circa page 4, in that event..... Laughing

Foxy was trying to keep focused on the topic which has dominated the latter pages - journalistic ethics. The connection of the discussion of Snood's opinion on that marine General to this topic seemed awfully tenuous.


I think snood was making his comments in response to some posts earlier on this thread.


Really? I didn't get that impression....
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blatham
 
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Reply Tue 15 Feb, 2005 09:48 am
spendius schmendius

"every national character is constucted out of polariities" (Eric Erickson)

"god said to Abraham, 'Kill me a son'" (a book)

One of your favored polarities is city/country. It's an interesting polarity and not difficult to trace back to Abraham (nomadic herder folk) and his happy presumption that the resonant voice he was hearing there in the desert was actually god's voice and that therefore it was just fine to claim ownership of a big parcel of land inconveniently possessed already by somebody else - city folk in the main. Justifications create new worlds in the mind of an individual or of a culture.
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spendius
 
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Reply Tue 15 Feb, 2005 10:06 am
MG:-

I'm sorry man.I don't understand that.Which land are you talking about?

Abe said "man you must be putting me on".But I have to go.Try answering the pevious post instead of engaging in the usual.What's ethics.
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blatham
 
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Reply Tue 15 Feb, 2005 10:44 am
sp

Effectively, Canaan. Here's a bit from wikipedia...
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Ham discovered Noah "undressed naked" while Noah was sleeping off some wine (Genesis 9:22). To "undress" a sibling's or parent's or grandparent's "nakedness" is a biblical term for committing a sexual act with a sibling's spouse, or with a parent's spouse/children/grandchildren, or with a parent's sibling or their spouse respectively (see Leviticus 18). It was Noah's youngest "son" (grandchildren being included under this title in Biblical Hebrew) Canaan who was directly connected to this event, since as a result it was he and not Ham who was cursed to go into servitude even to his Hamite brethren as well as his Shemite & Japhethic cousins by his grandfather Noah (Genesis 9:25).

As a result of their eponymous ancestor's crime the Bible indicates that Canaanites in Israel's eyes were seen as an increasingly sexually very depraved people (Leviticus 18:27). Thus the land of the Canaanites (specifically the Amorites, Hivites, Hethites, Girgashites and Jebusites) was deemed suitable for conquest by the Israelites on moral grounds. To this day, based upon Deut. 20:16-17, it remains one of the fundamental 613 Jewish Commandments not to keep alive any individual of the Canaanite nations specified in the Torah.


If this particular semitic tribe had been, say, overwhelmed by a flash flood, there's pretty good reason to suspect that -
1) your dichotomy (city/country) might not exist at all or
2) would exist in some other and less 'virulent' form.

At least equally interesting are the notions of 'sexual depravity' which Abraham's people carried up from Mesopotamia (though they may have been uniquely colored by particularities of Abraham's life, as was the case with Augustine and certainly Paul). It is very easy to see echoes of this very old cultural past in modern America's debates on sexuality and the red state/blue state dichotomy (cities mean sexual deviance, countryside means normal sexuality).

As to 'ethics', that's as large a discussion as you know it to be, and straight into cambridgeland. I have some sympathy for Russel's definition, "Ethics is the art of convincing others that they ought to do what you want them to do", but not nearly enough sympathy to leave the matter there. I've read a fair bit from the Brit and American thinkers on the question (less from Germans, but only because I desire to retain what sanity I have) but it isn't, I'm sorry, a debate I wish to engage.

In any case, there is the difference between 'ethics' as a broad investigation of moral claims and 'ethics' as a necessary component to dependable professional conduct. We do all likely agree that brain surgeons ought to have more than two days of intensive training, and that they ought to abide by codes of conduct established to promote responsible brain-cutting.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Tue 15 Feb, 2005 03:04 pm
I quoted Snood! Don't draw Snood into this quagmire!
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Tue 15 Feb, 2005 03:28 pm
dlowan wrote:
I quoted Snood! Don't draw Snood into this quagmire!


Too late. He's already here. Nice going, Deb!
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dlowan
 
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Reply Tue 15 Feb, 2005 03:39 pm
Sigh. I KNEW someone would do that.

I guess it just had to be you, dear.

I will explain why after work - gotta go.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Tue 15 Feb, 2005 03:52 pm
What I wanna know is why threads about Australia don't seem to turn into threads about the U.S., the way threads which might have something to do with Canada keep doing.

It's right annoying.

And that's being polite.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Tue 15 Feb, 2005 04:00 pm
Because the don't, in general, know or care about OZ.

AND - really - this was always a thread about America.

It was designed to piss American progressives off - because it was a triumphalist thing about the success of Fox - I think you guys were just a secondary target.

Sort of a Vietnam - but for fighting American ideological battles......nicht wahr?
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Tue 15 Feb, 2005 04:05 pm
It's not just this thread.
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JTT
 
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Reply Wed 16 Feb, 2005 05:56 am
Every once in a while the enormity of this debacle hits me. How can the right wing be so incredibly delusionary! Lies, pshaw! ... like water off a duck's back to them.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Published on Monday, February 14, 2005 by the Portland Press Herald (Portland, Maine)


How Dare Some Say, 'Support our Troops'?
by Dexter J. Kamilewicz

...

I accept that there are justifications for going to war. However, I cannot find anyone who can give me a solid reason to justify our going to and continuing the war in Iraq.

Seeking Reasons

There seems to be no question in America more avoided, particularly by elected officials, than a discussion of the war in Iraq. I asked Maine's members of Congress those questions.

U.S. Rep. Tom Allen said the war was not justified, but to abandon Iraq and its people now would be a mistake. Sen. Susan Collins said that going to war in Iraq was a problem of faulty intelligence, but the chaos in Iraq required us to stay.

Sen. Olympia Snowe blamed Saddam Hussein as the revised apparent rationale for invading Iraq, and she focused on the need for global support for the U.S efforts in Iraq. U.S. Rep. Michael Michaud agreed with Snowe.

Those answers translate that we got there by mistake, and we are staying there by mistake. There is no plan, there is no discussion and there is no leadership. Didn't we go into Iraq to protect ourselves from weapons of mass destruction and because of Iraq's connections with the terrorists, reasons that have been found to be utterly in error? Support our troops?

The pointless death and maiming of this war is pure insanity and probably even criminal. In this war, many times those who died in the World Trade Center have been wounded or killed.

--------------

Read the rest at,

http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0214-23.htm
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JTT
 
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Reply Wed 16 Feb, 2005 07:08 am
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JustWonders
 
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Reply Wed 16 Feb, 2005 07:38 am
Amazing that anyone could criticize Fox News with a straight face and then admit being a devotee of Common Screams.

As to the baloney of Nik Gowing - "waaaaaaaaaah".

From his screed:

"There is also the US air attack involving Al Jazeera's office in Baghdad on 8 Apri 2003, several hours before the fatal tank shelling of the Palestine Hotel and the day before major hostilities ended in the Iraqi capital."

One word: YAHOO!!!
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blatham
 
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Reply Wed 16 Feb, 2005 07:48 am
The hit on al Jazeera was direct and there's no good reason to think the US command wasn't purposefully targeting the facility. If you are going to torture people, if you are going to arm, fund and facilitate death squads in Latin America, what might be the ethical dilemma in targeting an 'enemy propaganda' outlet?
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