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Canadians want Fox News Now!

 
 
Foxfyre
 
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Reply Wed 9 Feb, 2005 09:01 am
Well Andrew Sullivan counts is one of my favorite liberals along with William Raspberry and some others that I read regularly. It would be to Salon's credit to regularly feature him.
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JTT
 
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Reply Wed 9 Feb, 2005 04:45 pm
What did I tell you! These conservatives can read right over the truth, can accept lies from their leaders with nary a blink, even when it causes the deaths of millions.

There truly is a motherlode of igorance for networks like Fox to mine; by last count some 59+ million and that's just in the US of A. That's why their market share is rising, Foxfyre.
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spendius
 
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Reply Thu 10 Feb, 2005 06:33 am
One can't help feeling that posters on this thread fall into two groups-
1-Those who are worried about Big Brother turning up in our midst.

2-Those who are so scared of Him that they are seeking to placate Him before He even gets here.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Thu 10 Feb, 2005 08:52 am
spendius wrote:
One can't help feeling that posters on this thread fall into two groups-
1-Those who are worried about Big Brother turning up in our midst.

2-Those who are so scared of Him that they are seeking to placate Him before He even gets here.


You forgot those of us who aren't worried or scared of him.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Thu 10 Feb, 2005 08:53 am
Big Brother? The government is too incompetent to be big brother.
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spendius
 
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Reply Thu 10 Feb, 2005 09:26 am
Hey Mc:-
I never mentioned the Gov't.

and

Tico:-well you wouldn't be would you?

Oh and that Glazer chap seems intent on buying Manchester United.No wonder-the SB was dire.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Thu 10 Feb, 2005 09:54 am
spendius wrote:
Hey Mc:-
I never mentioned the Gov't.


Let me guess .... Big Brother is "Wal-Mart"?

Quote:
Oh and that Glazer chap seems intent on buying Manchester United.No wonder-the SB was dire.


Maybe Glazer intends to move the club to Tampa Bay? The entire fanbase seems to be against the proposed takeover, which ought to have an impact on how he proceeds.
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spendius
 
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Reply Thu 10 Feb, 2005 10:27 am
Tico:-

My inside info is that the diehards are forming an action group with somewhat extreme intentions.

To repeat-I never mentioned the Gov't or Wal Mart or anything else.Threaders I was talking about.Maybe you should smoke more Tico.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Thu 10 Feb, 2005 10:35 am
What are you referring to when you mention "Big Brother" then?
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Thu 10 Feb, 2005 11:06 am
Re the ideological slant of Salon: (Bolded emphasis is mine)

February 10, 2005
The Founder of Salon Is Passing the Mouse
By DAVID CARR

avid Talbot, a pioneer of online journalism who founded Salon magazine in 1995, will announce today that he is stepping down as the magazine's editor in chief, chief executive and relentless cheerleader. He will be replaced as editor, he said, by Joan Walsh, his longtime deputy.

Salon will also announce its first profitable quarter in its history, Mr. Talbot added, a profit of $400,000 on revenues of $2.2 million. The company also said that Elizabeth Hambrecht, Salon's president, would become its chief executive.

Salon has its headquarters in San Francisco, so the fact that it has had a long, strange trip makes sense. Four years after it began publishing, the Web site announced an era-appropriate initial public offering in June 1999, and saw its stock soar to a high of $15.13 in July of that year. Salon lived up to some of the journalistic hype, but it has had a tortured business history that includes several cash infusions from investors more interested in Salon's liberal political agenda than in getting a return on their money; on Wednesday, its stock was trading at 14 cents a share. But $50 million later, it is also beginning to show at least some signs of business life, with revenues from a combination of subscribers - 88,000 people who pay an average of $30 a year, the company says - and a share of the growing Internet advertising market. The future of one of the Web's premier brands that was perpetually in danger of ending up in the recycle bin seems assured.

"I think the timing is right," said Mr. Talbot, who will continue as chairman of the company while he works on a book about Robert F. Kennedy. "If the business was shaky, I would feel uncomfortable, but things are now stable and I think I am handing my baby off to two women I have complete trust in."

A former newspaperman at The San Francisco Examiner, Mr. Talbot sensed a significant business opportunity when the Web began to flourish and became one of its chief evangelists. At the time, the Web was seen not only as a utility for consumers, but as a potential giant killer as well. "Dead-tree" journalism would go the way of typewriters, the theory went, and nimble, lippy sources of information like Salon, and its chief competitor, Slate, would become the must-click option for those in search of up-to-the-minute information.

In the beginning, Salon staked a claim on cultural coverage, publishing as much as a book review a day, tart media reporting and a sex column by Courtney Weaver that was followed breathlessly by thousands. At the end of the 1990's, the site began to add political news to its mix, some of which opened eyes at other, significantly larger news organizations. Salon was the first publication to point out why it was that Representative Henry Hyde, an Illinois Republican, should not have been throwing stones during the Monica Lewinsky affair. It also played a significant role in revealing some of the allegedly anti-competitive practices of Clear Channel, and broke the news that the White House was pressuring broadcasters to insert anti-drug messages into programming. More recently, Salon raised significant and lasting questions about President Bush's National Guard service.

At its peak, Salon had 60 editorial staffers on various beats, with departments as varied as health, business and politics. But as financing began to dwindle after the bust in 2001, the site's ambitions and staff withered. The company now has 55 full-time employees, 22 of whom work on the editorial side.

Salon has never disguised its relentlessly left-leaning political agenda, which gave it a strong identity but sometimes caused readers to wonder whether they were reading a news article or a jeremiad. Ms. Walsh, who became Salon's first fulltime news editor in 1999, makes no apologies for the site's point of view, but said she would work to remind readers of Salon's cultural heritage.

"There is still a need for fearless, independent journalism," Ms. Walsh said. "But we have some of the best book and television coverage there is. I want us to be helpful in figuring where the Democrats go next, but I also want us to be the ones to tell you why 'America's Top Model' is the best show on television."

Ms. Walsh said she would preside over a redesign that emphasizes the broader content of the site, as opposed to just featuring the story of the day. But the political DNA of the site will remain: one big item on her to-do list is "holding the Bush administration accountable."

Historically, political and opinion magazines, print or digital, have been money losers, and Salon has been no exception. After many twists and turns in its business approach, Salon has become something of a hybrid - part NPR and part advertising vehicle. Salon has found a measure of stability by extracting revenues from loyal subscribers and allowing visitors - through a so-called site pass - to read the content if they are willing to sit through an ad first.

"I think that when we went to a subscription model, we lost a lot of casual readers," Ms. Walsh said. "My job is to get people's awareness up and let them know that you can read Salon for free."

Salon claims to have 3.4 million readers who visit the site every month, but it is not the buzz bomb of journalism it was when it was free. Slate, which was sold last year to the Washington Post Company, gave the subscription model a go a few years ago and threw up its hands. Now that advertising dollars are rushing toward the Web, it will be interesting to see whether Salon continues to charge at the door or will fling open the gates in pursuit of big audience numbers to sell to advertisers. Ms. Hambrecht said she and Ms. Walsh were being handed a stable, going concern that needed a bit of work.

"Salon has been a success from a journalistic and artistic point of view," she said. "We have been and will continue to focus on making this a business."

Ad sales have more than doubled in the last year, and revenues were up 69 percent, from $1.3 million in the quarter that ended in December 2003, to $2.2 million in the same quarter this year. And Salon's marginal profit of $400,000 is a marked improvement from last year's loss of $1.2 million. In addition, subscriptions grew over the past year by 16,000. Clearly, Salon - give or take the $50 million to get there - has found some business traction.

And just because he is stepping down as the editor in chief and chief executive, Mr. Talbot is not relinquishing his pompoms.

"I still feel this whole messianic vision," he said. "At its best, Salon is not only progressive and crusading, but also running stories about sex, drugs and rock 'n' roll. A lot of that joyful spirit has been trashed by recent events, and I think Salon will play a role in reviving it."
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/02/10/books/10salo.html?ei=5065&en=2ebfbc29bec52eeb&ex=1108616400&partner=MYWAY&pagewanted=print&position=
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Ethel2
 
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Reply Thu 10 Feb, 2005 11:29 am
Ticomaya wrote:
spendius wrote:
One can't help feeling that posters on this thread fall into two groups-
1-Those who are worried about Big Brother turning up in our midst.

2-Those who are so scared of Him that they are seeking to placate Him before He even gets here.


You forgot those of us who aren't worried or scared of him.


This category would be those with their heads in the sand and their fannies in the breeze. Not to be equated with the Philistines.

I wouldn't say I'm afraid of Big Brother yet, but a return to the days of McCarthy are near.

My list would be more like this:

1. Those afraid of the return of McCarthy-like censorship and injustice.

2. The Philistines

3. sh!t eating scaredies

4. grasshoppers who fiddle while the others store up their nuts.

And praise the universe for Salon. Heaven forbid we should have sex, drugs and rock in roll in the news paper. Where's that censor anyway? He should be doing his job. I believe he should be punished.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Thu 10 Feb, 2005 11:57 am
I haven't seen any 'bad news' reported on any news source that has not also been reported by Fox. The only difference is that Fox doesn't feel obligated to present ALL news as bad news and that's what the left can't seem to tolerate. That isn't "Big Brother" though; it's objectivity which has been in short supply in the American media for some time. Conservatives by nature are generally upbeat, optimistic people and respond well to anything genuinely upbeat and optimistic. That's why we can rejoice in that 150,000 more people found jobs and that gives hope to the fewer numbers of those who still do not. We can't look at it that some aren't working; therefore impressive job creation is meaningless or inadequate or rose colored.

On another note, a brief side thread within this thread was Wal-Mart used as an illustration that American business, including Fox news, tailors its product for the consumer; the consumer is never expected to tailor its needs/wants/preferences to fit the product offered--the business that fails to understand this does not last long in the business.

Some said that Wal-Mart certainly conformed to requirements of Canada including accepting unions, etc., as if this was pertinent to the underlying theory.

Then I found this today:

Quote:
Canadian Wal-Mart Seeking Union to Close

Feb 9, 3:55 PM (ET)

By ADAM GELLER

NEW YORK (AP) - Wal-Mart Stores Inc. (WMT) said Wednesday it will close a Canadian store whose workers are on the verge of becoming the first ever to win a union contract from the world's biggest retailer.

Wal-Mart said it was shuttering the store in Jonquiere, Quebec, in response to unreasonable demands from union negotiators, that would make it impossible for the store to sustain its business. The United Food and Commercial Workers of Canada last week asked Quebec labor officials to appoint a mediator, saying that negotiations had reached an impasse.

"We were hoping it wouldn't come to this," said Andrew Pelletier, a spokesman for Wal-Mart Canada. "Despite nine days of meetings over three months, we've been unable to reach an agreement with the union that in our view will allow the store to operate efficiently and profitably."

Pellitier said the store will close in May.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20050209/D8857HK00.htmllletier
QUOTE]

This was reported early this morning on Fox Cable News. See what you can learn from Fox?
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Thu 10 Feb, 2005 12:12 pm
'Bout the only folks who DON'T see the general leftward tilt of media are those who won't see it 'cause they simply CAN'T. Those who figure sources the likes of The Beeb and The Grey Lady and Reuters and AP and The Alphabets are objective, unbiased, and wholly credible have no-one but themselves to blame for the rise of conservative thinkin' ... and its wholly understandable those same folks would be both baffled and frightened. Gotta feelin' its gonna be a while - a good while, 'fore any of those folks have much reason to feel any better about the situation.

Oh, things'll change; they always do do. That's the way the pendulum of politics and public attitude works. Unfortunately for those of unconservative bent, the swing to the right has just begun, and the full circuit takes a couple generations. Wanna hear some howlin'? Just wait a couple-three years as the Libruls begin to realize the rightward momentum is buildin'. Eventually, prolly around 2050 or so, it'll be the conservatives who will have cause for dismay ... and they'll have no-one but themselves to blame when that happens.

For every action, there's an equal and opposite reaction. Inertia and momentum are unconquerable forces.
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Ethel2
 
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Reply Thu 10 Feb, 2005 02:18 pm
Well, now having heard from one Philistine Conservative and one gloating war monger.......oh, I forgot that category, ex-military who are always lookin for a good war to watch......it's time for the other side to have a turn.

It's unlikely in my estimation the voting public will tolerate too many McCarthy era shenanigans. It will eventually get too nasty to swallow. And at the rate they're going now, it shouldn't be too long. But one never knows. It won't take 50 years, especially if you look at the trends, when they started and when the pendulum swung. (scary image isn't it?)

Let's go back to the 1950s and all the McCarthy fun. In 1952, Eisenhower, shackled and yet boosted with Nixon and the McCarthy wing of the Republican party defeated Stevenson in a landslide. Eventually, McCarthy burned himself out and Nixon was so tainted, Kennedy swung in on the pendulum. Yippee......Then Reagan, who wasn't half bad compared to the bozo we have now, rode in on his tax reform small government, big business rah rah followed by his lack luster vice president.

If the Republican convention hadn't featured and illustrated the mean spiritedness of the Radical New Right, who had been organizing since as early as the seventies but really got it's act together in 1985, Clinton would have had a tougher time of it. But in spite of a giant scandal-mongering machine, he won a second term. Then we had the non-election of 2000 and 9-11 which has ushered in the most nationalistic, anti-intellectual, radically religious administration in many decades in this country. The struggle between the anti-intellectual, rule bound philistines and the scientists, thinkers, educators, artists and other lovers of intellectual freedom has always been with us. However, I must say, it seems the intellectuals are dealing the most lasting blows in the long run. Progress persists, in spite of the ever present cultural lag.

OK, Timber, your turn.
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Ethel2
 
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Reply Thu 10 Feb, 2005 02:33 pm
Oh yeah, I forgot Johnson, who tried, bless his heart, and then that little glitch in there with Nixon . . . who exemplified himself as a narrow minded criminal that helped bring us the sincere, if not aggressive enough Carter. Then Reagan etc. I do hope I have my chronology straight now... Oh dear, I really have to get back to work. Deadline on Tuesday.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Thu 10 Feb, 2005 02:54 pm
Actually, truly, only, I think, in America, could your alphabets be seen as left-ward tilting!

And watch the Big Brother thing, ok?

I see Fox as egregiously even worse than the usual mass air-head "journalism" - not as Big Brother.

I do not think it good that ANYONE should use Fox as their only news source. Not good for your country, or anyone else's for that matter.

I don't see it as good that one should rely on ANY one source - not Salon.com - not the mass outlets - DEFINITELY not Fox.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Thu 10 Feb, 2005 03:26 pm
dlowan wrote:
Actually, truly, only, I think, in America, could your alphabets be seen as left-ward tilting!


<nodding in agreement>
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Thu 10 Feb, 2005 03:31 pm
dlowan wrote:
...

I do not think it good that ANYONE should use Fox as their only news source. Not good for your country, or anyone else's for that matter.

I don't see it as good that one should rely on ANY one source - not Salon.com - not the mass outlets - DEFINITELY not Fox.


Fox isn't my only news source. After all, I listen to Rush, Hannity, and Savage when I'm in my car .... and I read Newsmax.com and Townhall.com on the Net .... AND when Fox News goes to a commercial, I often turn the channel to CNN, watch until I think the commercial is done .... then turn back to Fox .....
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Thu 10 Feb, 2005 04:50 pm
Surveyin' a broad spectrum of news and info sources always has been my mantra.

Lola, don't take offense, please, but it seems to me you - and Libruls in general - still just plain don't get it it - and I doubt anything I can say is gonna change that a bit.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Thu 10 Feb, 2005 04:56 pm
Oh - I wasn't meaning you guys - I was meaning the broad population.
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