msolga wrote:WhoodaThunk wrote: ... Actually the convoluted thinking on this thread is more entertaining than anything else ... if it weren't so disturbing!
I wouldn't say "convoluted thinking ", WhoodaThunk. I've found it interesting. Comparing different approaches to the same questions, or problems, if you like ....
I've come away from this discussion with the firm belief that responding to violence with institutionalized violence just escalates the problem.
You're right, msolga. "Convoluted" was a poor choice of words. It seems we both see the other approach as an escalating factor in the problem. Likewise, I find "institutionalized violence" to be a rather harsh judgment on the procedures I've described.
The "cuffing and stuffing" end of the process is shocking regardless of age, but (IMO) it is a necessary shock to drive home a point that has been totally lost on these kids (and their parents.) From there, they go to a juvenile facility with counselors, teachers, and all the benefits (believe it or not) of a stable environment. Oddly enough, some kids actually prefer the detention facility to their own homes. That's sad.
