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Iraq...what is going to happen and what will Bush/Rove do?

 
 
blatham
 
Reply Sat 22 Jan, 2005 06:47 am
What will this administration actually do regarding Iraq? This is an invitation to lay out - in some detail, please - what you think will happen and why.

I'll begin with the 'why' part.

1) The Bush administration is concerned with - above all else - maintenance of Republican domination of the WH and both houses. As a related proposition...it is actually domestic matters, and not foreign relations or foreign goals that drive this administration except where domestic matters are contingent. Negating 'new deal' policies and values (and 'liberalism' in general) is the ideology in place.

2) The biggest threat (other than serious domestic economic downturn) to that goal is a continuation of, or worsening of, the situation in Iraq FOR AMERICANS THERE. Continuation of, or increase in, American deaths is politically untenable. Iraqi deaths don't much matter. International troop deaths don't much matter.

3) It is soldier deaths that mainly matter, politically. Private enterprisers - 'employees' either military or logistic - are expendable.

4) News coverage is a negative when negatives are happening. Where events are negative, attention will be diverted through various means including outright deceit or bait and switch (eg, the 'turnover' of power to Iraqis changed almost nothing in reality, but in the forwarded portrayal by the administration, significant change and progress towards 'iraqi liberty' was the projected 'reality')

5) Peace and order in Iraq seem very unlikely for some years. Civil war is a real possibility.

6) US forces are in Iraq, and not Darfur or Afghanistan, because this administration believes (perhaps correctly) that middle east oil supplies cannot be allowed to be too far out of US control, for reasons of economic stability. Also, the wealth and power that arises from control of this resource could fall under the control of radical Islamist governments (say, if the Saudi government was to fall). This is why the US is there at all. And possibly nowhere else is the tie between politics and corporate interests (lots of oil people around this administration) so acutely evident.

7) Protection of Israel is the unmentioned elephant. This policy is both ideological (and particularly so for the neoconservatives, though the PR line employed is that even such a suggestion is anti-semitic) and it is strategic...a friendly and stable state in the oil-rich area.

8) Up until now, the Iraqi 'government' has been handpicked by the US and has acted at US bidding. A free election will likely bring in a Shiite government who will ask/instruct the US to get out. That consequence is at odd with administration goals and in line with other administration goals. Getting troops out is good. Losing control of the political situation is not, nor is losing control of the oil supplies.

9) To disperse blame for all that seems likely to go wrong, the US will seek to involve other bodies (UN, Nato) to be or appear in charge of the chaos. Recent kisses towards EU will increase. The hoped for gain will be to present the entire Iraq debacle as an international issue, rewriting history.

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So, I predict the following:

The US will get as many troops out as quickly as they can without losing votes. As votes are the key motivator, and as anything like factual portrayal of events and intentions is important only insofar as there's a danger in being caught out in a lie, they'll cover their tracks with the sort of non-answer answer we know, with ambiguity, and with massive PR efforts to portray the situation in a good light and to downplay all negatives and to attack differing analyses. The conservative media will continue to act as a PR wing for this project. What the WH says, they'll say. The attack-dog stuff will be done by them following leads from the PR boys and girls under Rove.

The events and portrayal will be as follows:

1) "Iraq is now better off", they'll repeat and repeat, regardless of anything..."at least they are free and not being butchered or taken into raperooms by Sadaam and his sons".

2) If things go really badly, as in civil war or continued chaos as now, they will say "We sacrificed our sons and daughters and bravely gave them liberty. It is now up to them to take this chance for freedom and chance for peace and become a free peoples. We can't force freedom at the point of a gun!" (they will say that, and I'll throw up). Mercenary forces, already at one third counting logistics, will be greatly 'invisible', and present far more than PR initiatives will bother to mention.

3) But the US will not leave. That is, they will seek in Iraq above all to maintain control in some effective manner of oil resources and middle east stability (US definition of that) via a military footprint (along with other economic and policy tools, which I don't understand well at all). They will pull out some or even most troops, but suggest that the mission is accomplished and 'our troops are home now'. But that will be a lie.

4) They'll be pulling troops out before the next election in two years. The results of that election will, to some significant degree, determine what they then do and what they say, with an eye to the election at four years. If significant loses are suffered at the polls, they'll open up their policy and PR options to concentrate on repairing domestic damage. If the electoral map looks much the same, they'll continue doing what they are doing.

5) Internal party discord will increase as reality turns uglier (and it will) and as seats begin to look in danger. As no usual vice-presidential heir is in the picture, the nomination drive will be particularly disruptive to Rove's PR strategy of 'single message'. I think this is such a potential problem, that I would not be surprised at all to see Cheney - with real or feigned illness - step down in two years or less so that a chosen heir can be put in place. That will be Fisk. But I think even more likely, if Rove can manage it, he'll keep everyone as much in line as possible, and set Jeb up as the trusted Bush/Reagan heir. That will please the important constituencies because it will guarantee continuance of their goals and policies. McCain is a big problem for Rove, and I think he's the wild card in terms of other party voices. If we see the conservative media begin to start bashing McCain, we'll know Rove thinks him a danger.

6) If Iraq goes badly, and I think that probable, or if domestic issues intervene in a bad way, then we can expect to find, behind curtain number three, a new 'threat' with which to scare the hell out of you guys. Iran is the likely candidate, and that PR effort is already begun.

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Here's a relevant news item from today.


Quote:
from The Guardian

Private memos are circulating in Washington, Baghdad and London setting out detailed scenarios for withdrawal of US and British forces from Iraq as early as possible, a Foreign Office source said yesterday.
The policy papers have added urgency because a new Iraq government, to be elected next week if the election goes ahead on January 30 as planned, could set a target date for withdrawal.

John Negroponte, US ambassador to Baghdad, confirmed that a United Nations resolution declared that US and other forces would have to leave if requested by the Iraqi government. "If that's the wish of the government of Iraq, we will comply with those wishes. But no, we haven't been approached on this issue - although obviously we stand prepared to engage the future government on any issue concerning our presence here."
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panzade
 
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Reply Sat 22 Jan, 2005 10:22 am
Sorry B-Man. Was waiting for some heavyweights to dock here first. I'm still trying to formulate my take on the thing.
I want to thank you for steering me to the arts and letters site...I saw it in your profile and I've made it my home page.
I'm sure you've read Norman Podhoretz's article on the Bush Doctrine and WWIV. I'm a follower for the moment and trying to assimilate Hersh's article into Norms wide angle lens.
One thing for sure. People who think Bush is a moron are the morons. georgy is a very clever President.
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blatham
 
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Reply Sat 22 Jan, 2005 10:36 am
pan

Predicting futures is almost always a guarantee of future embarrassment. So, brave of you to join me here.

I'm decidely not in Podhoretz's camp on this, I'm afraid. Perhaps a bit later on, we can take a good look at the article you reference, and go over it in a careful way.

and ps...very welcome re the arts and letters daily site. I've been promoting that site for four years or so.
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Sat 22 Jan, 2005 10:43 am
yup. that boy's as dumb as fox.

heading out to namm, panzade. gonna check this out later.

btw, i talked to a friend in lauderdale last night. looking for a keyboard player to do standards. costello, b. joel, etc.

know anyone around there?
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panzade
 
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Reply Sat 22 Jan, 2005 10:49 am
Yeah...me...They traded(my band) me for a P.A. and a drum set.
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panzade
 
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Reply Sat 22 Jan, 2005 10:53 am
Some of us are slow to catch up.
Take Mozilla for example. How can anybody that posts here not appreciate the ability to keep 5 threads open at the same time in a neat orderly tab arrangement? I love it. Thanks Tico and Phoenix.
Appreciate you offering to walk through NP's treatsie at some later point.
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Sat 22 Jan, 2005 11:40 am
Let's reinvade Vietnam.
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panzade
 
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Reply Sat 22 Jan, 2005 11:49 am
So the Domino theory still pervades LW?
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Sat 22 Jan, 2005 01:22 pm
The Domino theory that was just that -- a theory! The Dominos had no dots.

Actually, this was one of Bill Maher's New Rules on one of the last shows of his HBO season. I can't recall the rest of it but I'm sure it's on his site. It was before the election. Extremely funny.
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Lash
 
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Reply Sat 22 Jan, 2005 11:46 pm
Blatham--

Why do you predict Rove caring what happens in the run-up to the 2008 election? You Democrat/ liberal types have imbued that man with God-like powers...

I really think Iraq will progress as a fledgling, but determined democracy. I think the people of Iraq will eventually turn hard against the terrorists when they see that Iraqis are the prime targets of bussed-in insurgents. And, most assuredly, when they get a taste of actually reaping the riches Saddam withheld from them for so long--they will appreciate their freedom more than a lot of Americans do.

I predict the US will get a sweetheart oil deal and some friggin word will be introduced to pop vernacular as the new Halliburton. (I dread that.)

After an initial period of violence and unsteady starts--I predict Iraq will take to self-determination like ducks to water--but they will make embarrassing moves, i.e. restricting freedom of the press, freedom of speech, freedom of assembly--which we will attempt to influence diplomatically, but Iraq will be strong-willed in their new freedom--The modernization of Iraq will be dizzyingly rapid--and lead to unrest against Iranian and Saudi leaders. Saudi will emerge as the new Israel, regarding street violence and bombings.

I think we will begin leaving Iraq in incremental shifts, and be replaced by Iraqi troops within the next two years--more likely 18 months.

I predict another totalitarian or theocratic country making a dramatic move toward democracy during the next four years.

(Craven's very good at this--hope he'll pop by with his predictions.)
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blatham
 
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Reply Sun 23 Jan, 2005 01:05 am
lash wrote
Quote:
Why do you predict Rove caring what happens in the run-up to the 2008 election? You Democrat/ liberal types have imbued that man with God-like powers...


As to goals...
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DAVID GERGEN: They don't talk about it, but there's no question that his team is dedicated to building a legacy.

One of the differences between, I think, where George W. Bush is going and where some of his recent predecessors are going is he's not only trying to build a substantive legacy but clearly this is a party builder; he wants to leave his party stronger when he leaves.

He and Karl Rove are trying to create a dominant Republican Party for the next twenty or thirty years in the McKinley model as we all know. And that's quite different.
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/white_house/jan-june05/second_1-19.html
Gergen is a Republican who has worked in five white house administrations. Smart fellow, and a long-time Washington insider. He's a credible voice on his own, but there are other indications that he has it exactly right.

As to how Rove operates...for electoral gain...John DiIulio's insider view (a Republican, eight months in the administration) provides the best insights.
http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/DiIulio.html
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blatham
 
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Reply Sun 23 Jan, 2005 01:07 am
And THANKS for being stalwartly courageous in joining my exercise.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Sun 23 Jan, 2005 01:27 am
panzade wrote:
Some of us are slow to catch up.
Take Mozilla for example. How can anybody that posts here not appreciate the ability to keep 5 threads open at the same time in a neat orderly tab arrangement? I love it. Thanks Tico and Phoenix.
Appreciate you offering to walk through NP's treatsie at some later point.


You're welcome, pan. Knew you would.
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blatham
 
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Reply Sun 23 Jan, 2005 01:58 am
Just for info...I didn't intend here to engage in the normal back and forth of proposition vs proposition, or evidence vs evidence.

The idea was to have folks risk a bit and, using the knowledge and opinions they hold, describe how they think the Iraq issue will turn out, and how Bush will respond, and why.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Sun 23 Jan, 2005 08:37 am
I have no more a crystal ball than does the admin(and no worse intelligence). There is no recent history of a willingly unified Iraq. I think that the "Continental Congress" will be elected and , through protracted bickering, a civil war will break out, my concern is with the Kurds and Turkey , not just intra Iraq tensions.
Panzade-of what do you speak re: Mozilla?
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panzade
 
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Reply Sun 23 Jan, 2005 09:15 am
FM, I don't often hawk new products but this new browser is sleek and 22nd century-ish. I'll bet you would really appreciate its design. I am so glad to escape the clutches of Int. Explorer, that dastardly tentacled Microsoft monopoly.
In any case, you can download the browser at mozilla.org...and keep IE in your puter if you feel uneasy.
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Lash
 
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Reply Sun 23 Jan, 2005 09:20 am
Thank you, blatham.

<Not knowing exactly what is OK to post now, B, ..."no back and forth">

<hazarding one comment...looks both ways>

I know Gergen. He flipped for Clinton and hasn't looked back since. Bush came into office with a vengance--to right several policies of Clinton's --most specifically foreign policy--almost all conservatives despised. So Gergen is creating a smokescreen--calling it an attempt toward "building a legacy", when in fact, Bush is hellbent on achieving the goals he set forth in his first campaign. Its all there in black and white. Quite dishonest for Gergen to try to lay it at the feet of fake legacy. That's out of Clinton's playbook. We ain'ta' using it.

<Just for clarification. OKbyebye>
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blatham
 
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Reply Sun 23 Jan, 2005 09:27 am
lash

Absolutely ok to post whatever you like, whenever you choose to. My note was just in reference to myself.

But no, Gergen is still a Republican. He's a moderate, always has been. He was one of several moderate Republicans that Clinton invited into his administration. That full interview is worth the reading, by the way.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Sun 23 Jan, 2005 09:31 am
BM
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Lash
 
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Reply Sun 23 Jan, 2005 09:31 am
OK-- <btw, thanks for the clarification> --if you accept Zell as a Democrat, we can refer to Gergen as a Republican...

<smiles>
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