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Michael Moore's Bodyguard Arrested on Gun Charge

 
 
cjhsa
 
Reply Thu 20 Jan, 2005 09:56 am
Bowling for CCW's....


NEW YORK - Filmmaker Michael Moore's (search) bodyguard was arrested for carrying an unlicensed weapon in New York's JFK airport Wednesday night.

Police took Patrick Burke, who says Moore employs him, into custody after he declared he was carrying a firearm at a ticket counter. Burke is licensed to carry a firearm in Florida and California, but not in New York. Burke was taken to Queens central booking and could potentially be charged with a felony for the incident.

Moore's 2003 Oscar-winning film "Bowling for Columbine" criticizes what Moore calls America's "culture of fear" and its obsession with guns.
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Thu 20 Jan, 2005 10:45 am
http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0VgAtA0QcMQAvmkq7VNd81kkp9ap*hfN8HCsQQUJN0kUyNPsBXnuE*F24vAb3LgcIUT4RsFdqg43K7!ImFEwnEE7RoxzLT9OgjpEwb992CJcfjd5WI*rSGXCt2hNk4xQb/wolfgang.jpg

VERRRY INTERESTING!

Looks like a case of "Do as I say, Not as I do!"
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Chrissee
 
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Reply Thu 20 Jan, 2005 11:07 am
[quote="Phoenix32890"
VERRRY INTERESTING!

Looks like a case of "Do as I say, Not as I do!"
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Really? Mind explaining in what way?
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Thu 20 Jan, 2005 11:11 am
Chrissee wrote:
Phoenix32890 wrote:

VERRRY INTERESTING!

Looks like a case of "Do as I say, Not as I do!"


Really? Mind explaining in what way?


Sure ......

cjhsa wrote:
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Moore's 2003 Oscar-winning film "Bowling for Columbine" criticizes what Moore calls America's "culture of fear" and its obsession with guns.
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candidone1
 
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Reply Thu 20 Jan, 2005 11:27 am
Phoenix32890 wrote:

VERRRY INTERESTING!

Looks like a case of "Do as I say, Not as I do!"


It was Moore's bodyguard that was arrested on said charge right?
That's about as relevant as when Kerry pointed out that Cheney's daughter was gay.
If Moore himself had been arrested, your comment would have some weight.
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candidone1
 
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Reply Thu 20 Jan, 2005 11:42 am
Ticomaya wrote:
Chrissee wrote:
Phoenix32890 wrote:

VERRRY INTERESTING!

Looks like a case of "Do as I say, Not as I do!"


Really? Mind explaining in what way?


Sure ......

cjhsa wrote:
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Moore's 2003 Oscar-winning film "Bowling for Columbine" criticizes what Moore calls America's "culture of fear" and its obsession with guns.



...and city police frequently champion Moore's cause as carried out in Bowling......yet they carry one as well.
If the implication is hypocracy, I think the statement "do as I say..." is irrelevant.
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Thu 20 Jan, 2005 11:43 am
Quote:
It was Moore's bodyguard that was arrested on said charge right?
That's about as relevant as when Kerry pointed out that Cheney's daughter was gay.


candidone1- IMO, you are comparing apples with oranges. The bodyguard WORKS for Moore, under Moore's directives. I think that it would be a great leap of credibility if a bodyguard carries a gun while on his own, that he doesn't when he is with his employer.

Or do you think that the bodyguard checks his six-shooter at the door, 'cause Moore is against guns???? Laughing
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Thu 20 Jan, 2005 11:51 am
Apples and Oranges -- A Comparison
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Thu 20 Jan, 2005 11:52 am
If it weren't for all the hate directed at Moore, his bodyguard wouldn't have to carry a gun. It's not a case of hypocrisy but of necessity.
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Thu 20 Jan, 2005 11:54 am
Oh, humph, I have to agree with McGentrix again. Apples and oranges is a tired old strawman comeback that is virtually meaningless.
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Thu 20 Jan, 2005 11:55 am
Lightwizard wrote:
If it weren't for all the hate directed at Moore, his bodyguard wouldn't have to carry a gun. It's not a case of hypocrisy but of necessity.


LW- I am not so sure. There are plenty of people in the public arena, some with vociferous critics, whom I would suspect don't walk around with bodyguards packing heat! Laughing
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Thu 20 Jan, 2005 12:03 pm
Interesting trying to find confirmation of anything other than a report of a man who claims he is Michael Moore's bodyguard declaring he was carrying a weapon.

I'd be a bit concerned if he hadn't reported it - and if I could find it at a site other than "Ohioans for Concealed Carry".
link
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JustWonders
 
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Reply Thu 20 Jan, 2005 12:07 pm
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,144921,00.html
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Thu 20 Jan, 2005 12:13 pm
I don't know of any bodyguards who don't pack heat when their client has had death threats.

This is a manifestation of the culture of guns and fear. Unbridled fear of Moore is what provokes the death threats. There are those on the forum I wouldn't let within ten miles of Moore if they were armed. Laughing
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Thu 20 Jan, 2005 12:14 pm
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When on television to promote his movie, Moore told Oprah's audience that he thinks all whites are instantly afraid when they see a black person. White folks buy guns because they're afraid of blacks, he claimed. This is one of the central conclusions made in his film, which uses a cartoon "history" of the U.S. (drawn by one of the creators of South Park) in which guns are depicted as the weapons of paranoid white folks...

So what does that make Moore and his felt-need for an armed body guard? And why doesn't Moore celebrate how arms have been used by minorities to protect against racist groups like the KKK or the Nazis?

Millionaire Moore has often been called a Marxist, but his tendancies in that direction may never have been more obvious than they are in this story.

Like another overweight gun ban extremist before him (Rosie O'Donnell), we now see that Moore believes guns are necessary to protect Hollywood aristocrats like himself, but that the working class schlubs he claims to speak for in his movies simply cannot be trusted with arms.

Despicable.


This is from ehBeth's link.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Thu 20 Jan, 2005 12:16 pm
Lightwizard wrote:
If it weren't for all the hate directed at Moore, his bodyguard wouldn't have to carry a gun. It's not a case of hypocrisy but of necessity.


But Moore brought the "hate" on himself. It was his own doing that caused the hate. If he hadn't made those movies, he wouldn't be hated.

(Adapting a liberal's argument that has been put forward on this board lately concerning the need for security at Bush's Inaguration .... One which they feel is logical .... Feel free to tear it apart.)

This sure appears to be a case of "Do as I say, not as I do." Moore thinks there are too many guns in America, yet when he decides what is needed for his own personal security, he feels a gun is necessary. Why is his need to feel secure of any greater merit than John Q. Public's need to feel secure?
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JustWonders
 
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Reply Thu 20 Jan, 2005 12:16 pm
http://www.foxnews.com/images/151309/0_21_moore_michael.jpg

If only...........
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Thu 20 Jan, 2005 12:21 pm
I see -- the freedom of speech has strings attached. Don't say anything that someone will disagree with so violently that they would shoot you. Another good example of our culture of fear.
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Thu 20 Jan, 2005 12:23 pm
Too many guns, BTW, does not mean advocating that nobody should lawfully carry a gun. Unfortunately, his bodyguard neglected to follow the law and should be prosecuted. It is a case of ignorance of the law is no excuse.
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Thu 20 Jan, 2005 12:28 pm
LW- For the nth time. Rolling Eyes

Freedom of speech has to do with Congress:


Quote:
Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.


It has absolutely NOTHING to do with someone who goes around doing and saying things that piss off a lot of people. It has nothing to do with interactions amongst private individuals!!!!!
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