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Patriotism: A Menace to Liberty

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Dartagnan
 
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Reply Mon 27 Dec, 2004 12:55 pm
Larry434 wrote:

Our nation was reunited in patriotic fervor after the Southern states seceded from the Union.


While I don't claim to be an expert on the Civil War and its immediate aftermath, I do know that this statement is an oversimplification at best, and completely false at worst.

The aftermath of that war was (and still is) still having an impact on US history more than a hundred years later...
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woiyo
 
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Reply Mon 27 Dec, 2004 12:58 pm
Patriotism is defined a love for or devotion to ones country.

Very broad but depending on ones point of view even Frank might look like a Patriot to someone who shares his point of view.
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ebrown p
 
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Reply Mon 27 Dec, 2004 01:12 pm
woiyo wrote:
Patriotism is defined a love for or devotion to ones country.



So, George Washington et. al. weren't Patriots. Their country was Great Britain and they obviously didn't show a love or devotion for her.

BTW Frank is a patriot in my book.
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panzade
 
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Reply Mon 27 Dec, 2004 01:28 pm
Good to see you posting again Debra...your threads are always thought provoking...
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woiyo
 
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Reply Mon 27 Dec, 2004 01:37 pm
ebrown_p wrote:
woiyo wrote:
Patriotism is defined a love for or devotion to ones country.



So, George Washington et. al. weren't Patriots. Their country was Great Britain and they obviously didn't show a love or devotion for her.

BTW Frank is a patriot in my book.


1) IMO G. Washington et. al.. were rebels

2) Your book may be the same as Franks book which is why you would feel that way.

Thanks for proving my point.
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ebrown p
 
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Reply Mon 27 Dec, 2004 01:50 pm
You're welcome.
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snood
 
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Reply Mon 27 Dec, 2004 01:51 pm
bravo, ebrown.
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kickycan
 
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Reply Mon 27 Dec, 2004 01:55 pm
woiyo wrote:
Patriotism is defined a love for or devotion to ones country.


Woiyo, as defined by you above, I would say that Frank is a patriot.

But if you put the words " deaf, dumb and blind" in front of the words "love" and "devotion" in your definition, which is really what your brand of patriotism is all about, then I can see why you don't get that.
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Larry434
 
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Reply Mon 27 Dec, 2004 02:13 pm
D'artagnan wrote:
Larry434 wrote:

Our nation was reunited in patriotic fervor after the Southern states seceded from the Union.


While I don't claim to be an expert on the Civil War and its immediate aftermath, I do know that this statement is an oversimplification at best, and completely false at worst.

The aftermath of that war was (and still is) still having an impact on US history more than a hundred years later...


But nevertheless, the Union was reunited to include the former CSA states. And that was attributable to the patriotism of the Yankees who did so at great cost and sacrifice...mainly because they were facing an equally patriotic CSA foe.

The aftermath of that reunification is another matter.
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woiyo
 
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Reply Mon 27 Dec, 2004 02:27 pm
kickycan wrote:
woiyo wrote:
Patriotism is defined a love for or devotion to ones country.


Woiyo, as defined by you above, I would say that Frank is a patriot.

But if you put the words " deaf, dumb and blind" in front of the words "love" and "devotion" in your definition, which is really what your brand of patriotism is all about, then I can see why you don't get that.


And you base your smart a$$ remark on what facts???
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kickycan
 
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Reply Mon 27 Dec, 2004 02:31 pm
woiyo wrote:
kickycan wrote:
woiyo wrote:
Patriotism is defined a love for or devotion to ones country.


Woiyo, as defined by you above, I would say that Frank is a patriot.

But if you put the words " deaf, dumb and blind" in front of the words "love" and "devotion" in your definition, which is really what your brand of patriotism is all about, then I can see why you don't get that.


And you base your smart a$$ remark on what facts???


What smart ass remark?
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woiyo
 
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Reply Mon 27 Dec, 2004 02:37 pm
kickycan wrote:
woiyo wrote:
kickycan wrote:
woiyo wrote:
Patriotism is defined a love for or devotion to ones country.


Woiyo, as defined by you above, I would say that Frank is a patriot.

But if you put the words " deaf, dumb and blind" in front of the words "love" and "devotion" in your definition, which is really what your brand of patriotism is all about, then I can see why you don't get that.


And you base your smart a$$ remark on what facts???


What smart ass remark?


And I'M the one you call deaf dumb and blind??? Rolling Eyes

Have a nice day!
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kickycan
 
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Reply Mon 27 Dec, 2004 02:37 pm
Heeheehee...
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Mon 27 Dec, 2004 03:01 pm
ebrown_p wrote:
It all depends on what you mean by patriotism.

Was Harriot Tubman an American Patriot? She defied what she considered an unjust law to lead hundreds of slaves to freedom.

Was Henry Thoreau an American Patriot? He refused to pay taxes because he thought that American foreign and military policy were immoral?

What about Martin Luther King and Rosa Parks and the hundreds of people who fought for civil rights?

What about the people who protested and went to jail and even died to end the Vietnam war?

Real patriotism doesn't mean closing your mind, and numbing your conscience to blindly follow a flag or a leader.

Real patriotism means standing up for the best ideals of ones country, against the screaming masses and in spite of opposition or cost.

I consider the folks I listed above to be the most patriotic of Americans.


How would the following people fit into your list of patriots?

Ronald Reagan
Donald Rumsfeld
George Custer
Chuck Norris
Rudolph Giuliani
George W. Bush
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Mon 27 Dec, 2004 03:14 pm
Given the fact that George Custer died for the sins of manifest destiny puts him up in the ranks of others who were crucified for the common good. Was he a patriot? I think not.
Eisenhower, on the other hand.
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ebrown p
 
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Reply Mon 27 Dec, 2004 03:40 pm
Norris and Reagan were just actors. Can one be judged for patriotism for a role?
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Dartagnan
 
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Reply Mon 27 Dec, 2004 03:42 pm
Chuck Norris? That's a hoot. Was his name inserted in the list to subvert the idea that the others are true patriots? I wouldn't think so, but...
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Mon 27 Dec, 2004 04:49 pm
D'artagnan wrote:
Chuck Norris? That's a hoot. Was his name inserted in the list to subvert the idea that the others are true patriots? I wouldn't think so, but...


Boy, you sure like to show off that vast intellect, don't you? Rolling Eyes

You should do a little research about what Chuck Norris has done as a patriot before spoutin' off...
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Mon 27 Dec, 2004 04:52 pm
ebrown_p wrote:
Norris and Reagan were just actors. Can one be judged for patriotism for a role?


"just actors" Laughing

I'm sure you'd say Einstein and Newton were just mathematicians...
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Mon 27 Dec, 2004 04:54 pm
ok so he's a martial-arts expert and makes movies/t.v. as well as a fund raiser for various charities.
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