1
   

Patriotism: A Menace to Liberty

 
 
Reply Mon 27 Dec, 2004 05:06 am
As we continue to wage war (at the cost of billions of dollars every month and many lives) and wave our flags in patriotic fervor, think about the following:

Emma Goldman: Patriotism: A Menace to Liberty

From the 1917 edition of Emma Goldman's Anarchism and Other Essays

. . . What, then, is patriotism? "Patriotism, sir, is the last resort of scoundrels," said Dr. Johnson. Leo Tolstoy, the greatest anti-patriot of our times, defines patriotism as the principle that will justify the training of wholesale murderers . . . .

Patriotism, on the other hand, is a superstition artificially created and maintained through a network of lies and falsehoods; a superstition that robs man of his self-respect and dignity, and increases his arrogance and conceit.

Indeed, conceit, arrogance, and egotism are the essentials of patriotism. Let me illustrate. Patriotism assumes that our globe is divided into little spots, each one surrounded by an iron gate. Those who have had the fortune of being born on some particular spot, consider themselves better, nobler, grander, more intelligent than the living beings inhabiting any other spot. It is, therefore, the duty of everyone living on that chosen spot to fight, kill, and die in the attempt to impose his superiority upon all the others.

The inhabitants of the other spots reason in like manner, of course, with the result that, from early infancy, the mind of the child is poisoned with blood-curdling stories about the Germans, the French, the Italians, Russians, etc. When the child has reached manhood, he is thoroughly saturated with the belief that he is chosen by the Lord himself to defend HIS country against the attack or invasion of any foreigner. It is for that purpose that we are clamoring for a greater army and navy, more battleships and ammunition. It is for that purpose that America has within a short time spent four hundred million dollars. Just think of it--four hundred million dollars taken from the produce of the PEOPLE. For surely it is not the rich who contribute to patriotism. . . .

The awful waste that patriotism necessitates ought to be sufficient to cure the man of even average intelligence from this disease. Yet patriotism demands still more. The people are urged to be patriotic and for that luxury they pay, not only by supporting their "defenders," but even by sacrificing their own children. Patriotism requires allegiance to the flag, which means obedience and readiness to kill father, mother, brother, sister. . . .

The usual contention is that we need a standing army to protect the country from foreign invasion. Every intelligent man and woman knows, however, that this is a myth maintained to frighten and coerce the foolish. The governments of the world, knowing each other's interests, do not invade each other. They have learned that they can gain much more by international arbitration of disputes than by war and conquest. Indeed, as Carlyle said, "War is a quarrel between two thieves too cowardly to fight their own battle; therefore they take boys from one village and another village; stick them into uniforms, equip them with guns, and let them loose like wild beasts against each other."

It does not require much wisdom to trace every war back to a similar cause. Let us take our own Spanish-American war, supposedly a great and patriotic event in the history of the United States. How our hearts burned with indignation against the atrocious Spaniards! True, our indignation did not flare up spontaneously. It was nurtured by months of newspaper agitation, and long after Butcher Weyler had killed off many noble Cubans and outraged many Cuban women. Still, in justice to the American Nation be it said, it did grow indignant and was willing to fight, and that it fought bravely. But when the smoke was over, the dead buried, and the cost of the war came back to the people in an increase in the price of commodities and rent--that is, when we sobered up from our patriotic spree--it suddenly dawned on us that the cause of the Spanish-American war was the consideration of the price of sugar; or, to be more explicit, that the lives, blood, and money of the American people were used to protect the interests of American capitalists, which were threatened by the Spanish government. That this is not an exaggeration, but is based on absolute facts and figures, is best proven by the attitude of the American government to Cuban labor. When Cuba was firmly in the clutches of the United States, the very soldiers sent to liberate Cuba were ordered to shoot Cuban workingmen during the great cigarmakers' strike, which took place shortly after the war. . . .

We Americans claim to be a peace-loving people. We hate bloodshed; we are opposed to violence. Yet we go into spasms of joy over the possibility of projecting dynamite bombs from flying machines upon helpless citizens. We are ready to hang, electrocute, or lynch anyone, who, from economic necessity, will risk his own life in the attempt upon that of some industrial magnate. Yet our hearts swell with pride at the thought that America is becoming the most powerful nation on earth, and that it will eventually plant her iron foot on the necks of all other nations.

Such is the logic of patriotism.
  • Topic Stats
  • Top Replies
  • Link to this Topic
Type: Discussion • Score: 1 • Views: 10,090 • Replies: 166
No top replies

 
Debra Law
 
  1  
Reply Mon 27 Dec, 2004 05:20 am
5.8 Billion a Month
Iraq War Topping $5.8 Billion A Month
United Press International
November 18, 2004

WASHINGTON - The Pentagon is spending more than $5.8 billion a month on the war in Iraq, according to the military's top generals.

That is nearly a 50 percent increase above the $4 billion-a-month benchmark the Pentagon has used to estimate the cost of the war so far.

The Army alone is spending $4.7 million a month while the Air Force is spending $800 million a month transporting soldiers and flying combat missions. The Marine Corps is spending $300 million a month, the four service chiefs told the House Armed Services Committee Wednesday.

Since 2003, the Pentagon has received some $160 billion for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan in supplemental funding -- that is, in addition to its annual budget. It will be requesting another multibillion-dollar supplement early next year to cover the continuing cost of the war.

http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,FL_cost_111804,00.html?ESRC=eb.nl
0 Replies
 
Larry434
 
  1  
Reply Mon 27 Dec, 2004 06:51 am
Our nation was conceived in patriotic fervor.

Our nation was reunited in patriotic fervor after the Southern states seceded from the Union.

Our patriots answered the call when we were attacked by the Japanese and threatened by Hitler's facism.

They are continuing the tradition in far away lands, taking the war to the terrorists who would kill us all and destroy our nation if they could.

Our national interests are well served by the patriots among us.

I am proud to stand with them.
0 Replies
 
PDiddie
 
  1  
Reply Mon 27 Dec, 2004 07:08 am
Last refuge and all that.
0 Replies
 
fishin
 
  1  
Reply Mon 27 Dec, 2004 07:11 am
It's interesting that in your other thread from this morning you rely on the words of the Founding Fathers for your arguments yet here you argue against the concept of patriotism that they embraced (see Federalist Paper #1, #2, #10, #46, Anti-Federalist paper #1, etc..).

Selective appeals to authority?
0 Replies
 
Larry434
 
  1  
Reply Mon 27 Dec, 2004 07:24 am
PDiddie wrote:
Last refuge and all that.


Are you then anti-patriotic?
0 Replies
 
woiyo
 
  1  
Reply Mon 27 Dec, 2004 09:10 am
Considering WHO the writer was and her background, one can easily see why she would have a distrust in any person who supports any government.

http://womenshistory.about.com/library/bio/blgoldman.htm
0 Replies
 
blueveinedthrobber
 
  1  
Reply Mon 27 Dec, 2004 09:22 am
Perhaps we would be well served as individuals, because after all society is a group composed of individuals who are SUPPOSED to effect it.....to engage in an exercise of discernment between patriotism and the use of the word patriotism by a few individuals to motivate and control..... if the many are controlled by the few with something as simplistic as the application of a vocabulary word.....well then, perhaps the many need to wake the hell up.....
0 Replies
 
joefromchicago
 
  1  
Reply Mon 27 Dec, 2004 11:09 am
"PATRIOTISM: Combustible rubbish ready to the torch of any one ambitious to illuminate his name." Ambrose Bierce

"Patriotism is the willingness to kill and be killed for trivial reasons." Bertrand Russell

"Patriotism is a pernicious, psychopathic form of idiocy." George Bernard Shaw

"Whenever you hear a man speak of his love for his country, it is a sign that he expects to be paid for it." H. L. Mencken

"Patriotism is the virtue of the vicious." Oscar Wilde

"When a whole nation is roaring Patriotism at the top of its voice, I am fain to explore the cleanness of its hands and purity of its heart." Ralph Waldo Emerson

"No matter that patriotism is too often the refuge of scoundrels. Dissent, rebellion, and all-around hell-raising remain the true duty of patriots." Barbara Ehrenreich
0 Replies
 
Asherman
 
  1  
Reply Mon 27 Dec, 2004 11:19 am
I'm not sure when it became fashionable in some circles that Patriotism became a slur. It seems to have been a product of the 20th century, though its a clear theme in Marx's 19th century writings. After the Russian Revolution, a nationalist movement, the Bolsheviks seized power from a weak democratic government. From the beginning, the Bolsheviks had their sights set on world domination. The Czar was still warm in his grave when subversive agents were sent abroad to undermine governmentss and foment revolution. The Great Depression that gripped the world made for a fertile field. Millions of people were out of work and national governments seemed powerless to make things better. The Communists played on discontent and hunger. "Its all the fault of greedy, war-mongering capitalists who own the governments dedicated at enslaving the masses", they preached. "Communism offers an alternative where every person will be equal. 'From each according to his means, to each according to his needs.' History dictates that Communism is the wave of the future, and that Capitalism is doomed." Some Americans renounced their citizenship and moved to the Worker's Paradise in Russia. Emma Goldman was one of the most notorious agents of Stalin's espionage apparatus, and a darling of Western intellectuals and liberals.

They fought the Nazi's in the streets to make Germany a Communist dictatorship, but lost. They organized unemployed mine workers, lumberjacks and dockworkers in America, but were checked by strong government action. They formed subversive revolutionary cells in China, and in Indo-China. They were able to get a revolution going in Spain against a Nazi supported regime, and the International became a popular song. Americans like Hemingway signed up and served to fight the Nazis in the Lincoln Brigade, and the Communists became almost respectable. Communist cells in the U.S. included some of the "smart set" and there were Communists in the film industry and in the government itself. The International Communist movement received a shock when Stalin, their leader, signed a non-aggression pact with their arch-enemy Hitler, and then invaded Poland. Finally, the European powers realized that Hitler could not be reasoned with, and WWII was underway.

As so often in politics 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend" made Stalin an ally. Hitler could not be allowed victory in the East, so the West ... mostly America ... had to prop up a vile dictatorship. Stalin had already ruined the Russian economy and viscerated its military in paranoic purges, but the USSR had one strong card yet to play ... Patriotism. The Great Patriotic War saved Stalin from a counter-revolution. Americans died by the thousands sending money, munitions and arms, and food to the Worker's Paradise. We opened our pockets and councils to the Communists for the duration. Without belaboring the military history of WWII, it was a successful strategy and the Russians played a pivotal role in defeating Hitler. At the same time, the Communists expanded their reach inside the Western nations. They stole countless classified documents, their espionage networks reached into the highest government offices in the U.S. and in Great Britain. The Manhattan Project was infiltrated and its secrets given to the Communists by idealists who believed that atomic bombs should be shared. Treason on behalf of the Internationalism ideal of Communism got the Goldbergs a seat in the limelight.

As it became clear that Germany would be defeated, the Communists became ever more obstructive so that the Communists could gobble up more war spoils and enslave more of the world. The time for nationalist governments and loyalty to ones homeland was to be replaced by Communism. Stalin had the bomb, and he supported Communists all over the world ... all of whom justified treason and espionage by playing on the liberal idea that governments dedicated to preserving themselves are evil tools of a privileged few. Equality in all things is better than equality of justice, or opportunity. Equality is a strong word and it served the Communists well as they undermined governments around the world. At home, of course, no one was permitted to object to Communist policies or edicts. In the USSR there was the Gulag and the unmarked grave. Equality meant that everything sank to the lowest common denominator, except for Party Officials who were devoted to Internationalism. Mediocrity and fear were the hallmarks of the Workers Paradise.

Eventually the USSR crumbled of its own internal contradictions and weaknesses, but the Communist idea that loyalty to one's homeland, country and government is somehow an evil thing survives. Not everyone who pledges their loyalty to an ideal above their country is a Communist. Some are Christians or Muslims. The idea that the blessings of liberty and justice should extend to all parts of the world is a wonderful goal. Generations of American Patriots have worked to that end, and many have made heavy sacrifices to make it so. American Patriots have died trying to extend that idea, and to free the oppressed from dictatorships. The United States has stood for humanistic values repeatedly over the last couple of hundred years, and the results have been pretty good. Even taking into account the numerous shameful events and incidents, the world is better today for American Patriotism than if we had surrendered our sovereignty at the first opportunity.

I'm proud to be an American Patriot, and the patriotism of my forebearers. My son serves in the finest military organization the world has ever known, and I'm proud of him and his efforts to carry out the policies of our freely elected government.
0 Replies
 
blueveinedthrobber
 
  1  
Reply Mon 27 Dec, 2004 11:22 am
I humbly suggest to Asherman, a decidely more thoughtful man than I...that the application of patriotism is the problem...not patriotism.....
0 Replies
 
woiyo
 
  1  
Reply Mon 27 Dec, 2004 11:22 am
"Ask not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country."
-John F. Kennedy (JFK

"Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, to assure the survival and success of liberty."
-John F. Kennedy (JFK)
0 Replies
 
blueveinedthrobber
 
  1  
Reply Mon 27 Dec, 2004 11:22 am
woiyo wrote:
"Ask not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country."
-John F. Kennedy (JFK

"Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, to assure the survival and success of liberty."
-John F. Kennedy (JFK)


but please...not to support the P&L's of a select few.....
0 Replies
 
Dartagnan
 
  1  
Reply Mon 27 Dec, 2004 11:30 am
"Your flag decal won't get you into heaven anymore."

The words of John Prine, as true now as when he wrote them...
0 Replies
 
Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Reply Mon 27 Dec, 2004 11:34 am
Patriotism is not that "my country, right or wong" horseshyt that American conservatives peddle like snake oil.

The most patriotic Ameicans I know are the ones who call on us all to stand taller than we are at the moment...the ones who are having their patriotism impugned by conservatives who cannot grasp that concept.
0 Replies
 
ebrown p
 
  1  
Reply Mon 27 Dec, 2004 12:10 pm
It all depends on what you mean by patriotism.

Was Harriot Tubman an American Patriot? She defied what she considered an unjust law to lead hundreds of slaves to freedom.

Was Henry Thoreau an American Patriot? He refused to pay taxes because he thought that American foreign and military policy were immoral?

What about Martin Luther King and Rosa Parks and the hundreds of people who fought for civil rights?

What about the people who protested and went to jail and even died to end the Vietnam war?

Real patriotism doesn't mean closing your mind, and numbing your conscience to blindly follow a flag or a leader.

Real patriotism means standing up for the best ideals of ones country, against the screaming masses and in spite of opposition or cost.

I consider the folks I listed above to be the most patriotic of Americans.
0 Replies
 
ebrown p
 
  1  
Reply Mon 27 Dec, 2004 12:17 pm
Larry, I am a big fan of irony, and you haven't disappointed me.

Larry434 wrote:
Our nation was conceived in patriotic fervor.


The "patriots" who conceived our nation were fighting against an occupying military force. They used unconventional war techniques including the destruction of property and the murder of people who were supporting the occupiers (i.e. the Tories).

That sounds strangely similar to a conflict we are fighting today, doesn't it?

Quote:

Our nation was reunited in patriotic fervor after the Southern states seceded from the Union.


I always thought the Southern States were the patriotic ones. Wasn't succession an act of patriotism? That is what was argued at the time anyway.

Thanks for the chuckle.
0 Replies
 
dyslexia
 
  1  
Reply Mon 27 Dec, 2004 12:27 pm
One can, easily, appreciate the values of jesus, siddhartha, lao tzu, confucius, brigham young or love of one's homeland without adopting the uniform (or violence) of another ism.
0 Replies
 
Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Reply Mon 27 Dec, 2004 12:35 pm
Larry434 wrote:
Our nation was conceived in patriotic fervor.


Our nation was conceived by rebels, not patriots. And rebels, I'm sure you realize, are the antitheses of patriots.

Do you think King George considered the people conceiving of our nation as "patriots"...or traitors?

I for one am glad they were not patriots...although there were a lot of patriots around at that time.

They were known as "Tories." They were the first American conservatives.

They backed the wrong side...and the things they stood for "love of country (Great Britian); fealty to the King, whom they referred to as their liege lord; and all that stuff...was what passed for "patriotism" by the conservatives of that day.

Conservatives were wrong then....they are wrong today.


Thanks for bringing this up, Larry.
0 Replies
 
ebrown p
 
  1  
Reply Mon 27 Dec, 2004 12:46 pm
I believe the proper term now is "insurgent".
0 Replies
 
 

Related Topics

Obama '08? - Discussion by sozobe
Let's get rid of the Electoral College - Discussion by Robert Gentel
McCain's VP: - Discussion by Cycloptichorn
Food Stamp Turkeys - Discussion by H2O MAN
The 2008 Democrat Convention - Discussion by Lash
McCain is blowing his election chances. - Discussion by McGentrix
Snowdon is a dummy - Discussion by cicerone imposter
TEA PARTY TO AMERICA: NOW WHAT?! - Discussion by farmerman
 
  1. Forums
  2. » Patriotism: A Menace to Liberty
Copyright © 2024 MadLab, LLC :: Terms of Service :: Privacy Policy :: Page generated in 0.03 seconds on 04/28/2024 at 11:02:28