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The Liberal obsession with Nazis. It's not good for you.

 
 
oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 20 Sep, 2017 02:59 pm
@Foofie,
Foofie wrote:
The way you stand up for Israel, I'd say you are a very practicing Catholic, just not into the ritual.

I'm not sure what the difference is. I defend Israel because I believe in doing the right thing and defending the innocent. And Israel is clearly the innocent party in these disputes.

I am a hard agnostic. I don't know whether there is a God, whether an afterlife awaits us after we die (those are two independent questions by the way), and what the nature of God and/or the afterlife is if either one does exist. I do not think anyone else knows these answers either.

I believe that if there is a benevolent God out there paying attention to us, then religious differences shouldn't matter. A benevolent God would accept people who reached out to it regardless of which religion was used to do so.

I do hope that there is some sort of pleasant afterlife awaiting us. The notion of ceasing to exist when I die terrifies me. And I'm not too happy about the idea of the same fate awaiting those who I care about. And some sort of divine judgement awaiting those who get away with horrible crimes would be nice as well.

But I don't claim to know that any of it is true.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Thu 21 Sep, 2017 12:20 am
@oralloy,
You're spreading mindless hatred for Jews, like Bernie Sanders, who have not yet abandonned their humanity in favour of rabid tribalism. You believe that all Jews should be tribal. Therefore you're an antisemite. And since you're Jewish, you're a self-hating Jew.
oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 21 Sep, 2017 05:54 am
@Olivier5,
Lying about me will not change the fact that Bernie Sanders is a neo-nazi.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Thu 21 Sep, 2017 08:37 am
@oralloy,
Spreading lies about Bernie Sanders will not change the fact that you are a neo-nazi.
oralloy
 
  -1  
Reply Thu 21 Sep, 2017 08:44 am
@Olivier5,
I've not spread any lies. You can't point to a single untrue thing that I've said.

And contrary to your lies about me, I am the exact opposite of a neo-nazi.
Olivier5
 
  3  
Reply Thu 21 Sep, 2017 10:42 am
@oralloy,
Easy as pie. Your calling Sanders a 'neo-nazi' was a bold face lie. Nobody here would be stupid enough to believe it.
oralloy
 
  1  
Reply Thu 21 Sep, 2017 10:56 am
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:
Easy as pie. Your calling Sanders a 'neo-nazi' was a bold face lie.

Not at all. Sanders very clearly spouted outrageous untrue accusations against Israel and called on people to harm Israel as punishment for what he falsely accused them of.


Olivier5 wrote:
Nobody here would be stupid enough to believe it.

I don't think a refusal to accept facts is necessarily related to intelligence.

More to the point, if people refuse to accept reality, that doesn't change what the facts are.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Thu 21 Sep, 2017 11:19 am
@oralloy,
Quote:
Sanders very clearly spouted outrageous untrue accusations against Israel and called on people to harm Israel as punishment for what he falsely accused them of.

Says who? And where is the link with neo-nazis?
Foofie
 
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Reply Thu 21 Sep, 2017 01:29 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

Foofie wrote:
The way you stand up for Israel, I'd say you are a very practicing Catholic, just not into the ritual.

I'm not sure what the difference is. I defend Israel because I believe in doing the right thing and defending the innocent. And Israel is clearly the innocent party in these disputes.

I am a hard agnostic. I don't know whether there is a God, whether an afterlife awaits us after we die (those are two independent questions by the way), and what the nature of God and/or the afterlife is if either one does exist. I do not think anyone else knows these answers either.

I believe that if there is a benevolent God out there paying attention to us, then religious differences shouldn't matter. A benevolent God would accept people who reached out to it regardless of which religion was used to do so.

I do hope that there is some sort of pleasant afterlife awaiting us. The notion of ceasing to exist when I die terrifies me. And I'm not too happy about the idea of the same fate awaiting those who I care about. And some sort of divine judgement awaiting those who get away with horrible crimes would be nice as well.

But I don't claim to know that any of it is true.


The only salient question, in my opinion, is whether one believes in a duality of consciousness; meaning whether after our body is void of life there could be something conscious like (like a soul) that continues, or some version of religion recreates us (Resurrection) at some future date.

My pro-Israel stance is just that after Jews were persecuted, from the pagan times to recent history, they might just have earned an ethical right to live sans Gentile culture. At least for those that do not have the desire, nor fortitude, to live in a Gentile culture, a la football half-time and all its accoutrements.
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Foofie
 
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Reply Thu 21 Sep, 2017 01:34 pm
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:

You're spreading mindless hatred for Jews, like Bernie Sanders, who have not yet abandonned their humanity in favour of rabid tribalism. You believe that all Jews should be tribal. Therefore you're an antisemite. And since you're Jewish, you're a self-hating Jew.


"Rabid tribalism"? We humans are tribal, whether one's tribe has a moniker that reflects a religion, a profession, a gender, a sexual orientation, a nation, a region, a language, etc., etc.

Take a course in anthropology or perhaps sociology. I consider your tribal identity a combination of nation and it respective religion (watered down to its secular essentials), in my opinion.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 21 Sep, 2017 01:51 pm
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:
Says who?

His words are a matter of public record are they not? Are you going to deny his public statements?


Olivier5 wrote:
And where is the link with neo-nazis?

Same as before. The link is his horrible false accusations against Israel and his calls for Israel to be harmed as punishment for what he falsely accuses them of.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Fri 22 Sep, 2017 12:23 am
@oralloy,
Quite a few neo-nazis support Israel nowadays, rather than the opposite.

Quote:
Why the U.K.'s neo-Nazis Are Posing With Israeli Flags
http://www.haaretz.com/polopoly_fs/1.321094.1501793768!/image/845850129.jpg_gen/derivatives/headline_720x405/845850129.jpg
English Defence League rally against the "Islamification" of the UK and in support of Israel, outside the Israeli Embassy in London. October 24, 2010.

U.K. Muslims know far-right extremists are mirror images of the radicals who’ve plagued our community for years. But a few U.K. Jews appear susceptible to their ‘pro-Israel’ posturing

http://www.haaretz.com/amp/opinion/1.805156

Quote:
German neo-Nazis: We're pro-Israel, Condemn anti-Semitism

Group calling itself 'National Socialists for Israel' introduces Web site, says Holocaust 'unjustifiable.'

Ofer Aderet, Haaretz Correspondent
04.06.2008 | 00:00

Nazis against anti-Semitism? As bizarre as that sounds, a group of Germans which calls itself "National Socialists For Israel" launched its Web site in support of Israel.


MaleChauvinist
 
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Reply Wed 21 Mar, 2018 03:28 pm
@maxdancona,
It's not just liberals who want to rid the world of Nazis. The people who want to rid the world of Nazis are called patriots regardless of their political stripes.

The Nazi aim is to rid the world of everyone who is not an "Aryan".

Trump won because of Russian meddling. As to Trump supporters she got it wrong when she said that 1/2 of them are deplorable. It's more like 2/3.
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CheesyMcChicken
 
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Reply Sun 29 Jul, 2018 04:31 am
@Olivier5,
Quite an argument, wish you had a better audience.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Tue 31 Jul, 2018 06:28 am
@CheesyMcChicken,
Thanks. The audience is what it is... You're welcome to stay and raise the bar if you can.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Wed 15 Aug, 2018 11:11 am
Those damn neo-nazis! They're ruining America!

About a year since the suspicious rally in Charleston where the city government seemed to encourage violent clashes, what have the dread neo-nazis done? Far less than Antifa.

Their most recent rally attracted a pathetic following of 30 and a ratio of at least 10-1 counter-demonstrators.

In a society driven by propaganda, neo-nazis make a great bogeyman.

Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 15 Aug, 2018 11:19 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
In a society driven by propaganda, neo-nazis make a great bogeyman.
So what do you consider neo-Nazis to be?

https://i.imgur.com/C2fJNd6m.jpg
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Wed 15 Aug, 2018 11:23 am
@Walter Hinteler,
A propaganda tool of the left. I thought I made that clear.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 15 Aug, 2018 12:07 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
A propaganda tool of the left. I thought I made that clear.
Sorry, I've got blinkers about this due to our history.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Wed 15 Aug, 2018 01:06 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
I imagine they may be a bigger problem in your country than mine
 

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