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The Liberal obsession with Nazis. It's not good for you.

 
 
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 15 Aug, 2018 01:44 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
You will have reasons for your imagination, and I can't argue against it.

Just saying, it's not only the left (here) who fight neo-Nazis.
Echoes of the 1930s are all too real, not only in Germany, Austria, Hungary and Italy.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Wed 15 Aug, 2018 02:18 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

You will have reasons for your imagination, and I can't argue against it.

Just saying, it's not only the left (here) who fight neo-Nazis.
Echoes of the 1930s are all too real, not only in Germany, Austria, Hungary and Italy.


Well, you just reinforced my imagination.

Unlike Europe, we don't have guilty echoes of 1930s fascists.
camlok
 
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Reply Thu 23 Aug, 2018 11:54 am
@maxdancona,
Quote:
The word "Nazi" should only be used for true Nazis, people who believe that White People should dominate other races. It is a horrible word that should only be used by the horrible people who actually deserve it.


It fits the USA to a T, doesn't it, Max?
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camlok
 
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Reply Thu 23 Aug, 2018 11:56 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Quote:
Unlike Europe, we don't have guilty echoes of 1930s fascists.


That is because you Americans totally lack introspection, Finn. It comes from a lifetime of brainwashing. Yours is a particularly bad case.

I know you will carefully read the following and offer your always open minded opinions.

Quote:
What America Taught the Nazis
In the 1930s, the Germans were fascinated by the global leader in codified racism—the United States.

Just eight days after the Reich Citizenship Law, the Law on the Protection of German Blood and German Honor, and the Reich Flag Law were formally proclaimed by Adolf Hitler, 45 Nazi lawyers sailed for New York under the auspices of the Association of National Socialist German Jurists. The trip was a reward for the lawyers, who had codified the Reich’s race-based legal philosophy. The announced purpose of the visit was to gain “special insight into the workings of American legal and economic life through study and lectures,” and the leader of the group was Ludwig Fischer. As the governor of the Warsaw District half a decade later, he would preside over the brutal order of the ghetto.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/11/what-america-taught-the-nazis/540630/
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Sat 25 Aug, 2018 11:52 am
@camlok,
And yet we led the fight to defeat and spent hundreds of millions to build democratic institutions in Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan. Go figure.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 25 Aug, 2018 12:01 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
And yet we led the fight to defeat and spent hundreds of millions to build democratic institutions in Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan. Go figure.
You built democratic institutions in Nazi Germany?

Certainly the US did a lot in there zone between the Potsdam Agreement (August 1945) and the Treaty on the Final Settlement with Respect to Germany (September 1990), but in Nazi Germany?
camlok
 
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Reply Sat 25 Aug, 2018 12:29 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Quote:
And yet we led the fight to defeat and spent hundreds of millions to build democratic institutions in Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan. Go figure.


You didn't "lead" anything. The US was late to the game and as is usual, quick to claim all the glory.

US actions were not, \have never been based on anything remotely altruistic, Finn. There's that dismal introspection again. Note how you are totally ignoring all the US illegal invasions, the tens of millions slaughtered, the planned genocides, the complete disregard for human life, the unbelievable racist "quality" of US interactions with the gooks, the slant eyes, the rag heads, the ... .





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camlok
 
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Reply Sat 25 Aug, 2018 12:31 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
The US and US businesses were tight with the Nazis, Walter, until they saw the great opportunities to steal a lot of wealth, and the incredible propaganda they could reap, by opposing the Nazis.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Sat 25 Aug, 2018 04:03 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
You really are a pendant Walter and it's tiring. Post-Nazi Germany - OK Herr Dokkter? Sheesh but you can be a pain in the ass. Where the hell do you think your country would be right now without the Marshall Plan?
camlok
 
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Reply Sat 25 Aug, 2018 04:11 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Quote:
You really are a pendant Walter and it's tiring. Post-Nazi Germany - OK Herr Dokkter? Sheesh but you can be a pain in the ass. Where the hell do you think your country would be right now without the Marshall Plan?


Speaking of pedants, Finn, you are, as usual, FofS as regards the MP. Germany would be right where it is now, possibly even better off by not having all the American bases.
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camlok
 
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Reply Sat 25 Aug, 2018 04:17 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
You should expand your mental horizons, Finn.

https://www.splcenter.org/hate-map/by-state
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Sat 25 Aug, 2018 04:56 pm
@camlok,
You should get help
camlok
 
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Reply Sat 25 Aug, 2018 05:38 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
I try to lift you out of your ignorance and this is the thanks I get?
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camlok
 
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Reply Sat 25 Aug, 2018 07:10 pm
@maxdancona,
Quote:
There were several crowded stands selling tee-shirts and sweatshirts and hats that said "I am a proud deplorable". "Oh ****" I said, Hillary really screwed up.


Hillary's problem is that she spoke the truth. Never, ever speak the truth in the US of A. Anyone who does obviously never did well in Propaganda 101 and subsequent propaganda courses.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 25 Aug, 2018 09:55 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
You really are a pendant Walter and it's tiring. Post-Nazi Germany - OK Herr Dokkter? Sheesh but you can be a pain in the ass. Where the hell do you think your country would be right now without the Marshall Plan?
Not only I do think that there's a huge difference between "Nazi Germany" and "Post Nazi Germany".
But, of course, you can call that pedenatic.

The Marshall Plan (officially the European Recovery Program) really was a great (economic) help, I would never say differently.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Sat 25 Aug, 2018 10:21 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
So Walter is a pendant? Is that because he just hangs around?
Setanta
 
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Reply Sat 25 Aug, 2018 10:26 pm
By the way, it is ridiculous to say that the United States "lead the fight to defeat Nazi Germany." Quite apart from the millions of troops in the United Nations, including, of course, the French, the Canadians and the British--this foray into historical fantasy ignores the Soviet Union, which paid the highest human price, and drove deeply into Germany before the Germans surrendered. What patriotic claptrap--what typical American exceptionalism bullshit.
camlok
 
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Reply Sat 25 Aug, 2018 10:30 pm
@Setanta,
Hear hear, Setanta!!

Did you read this, Finn?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 25 Aug, 2018 10:56 pm
@Setanta,
Not related directly to Set's post, but more an aside:
what is widely not known is that we had here here in the British Zone more tha just the British: Polish troops took part in occupation duties (the Polish even created a new Polish town, nowadays Haren at the Ems river), the Canadians stayed here until the 1970's, the Belgians (our district town had the largest Belgian high school outside Brussels until 1980) left in the 1980's, the Dutch are still here (nowadays the I. German/Dutch Corps) ...

And the health care for the British military community is - still today! - done by the Guy's & St Thomas (Germany) NHS Trust, acting like one of the German mandatory health insururers.
Setanta
 
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Reply Sun 26 Aug, 2018 02:24 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Another aside: I have recently read The Aftermath, by Rhidian Brook. It is set in occupied Hamburg in 1947. An English colonel and his wife are given a very nice house, and the Colonel decides to invite the German owner and his daughter to stay. I was more impressed when I learned that a cousin of the author had been in exactly that situation, and had kept the German family in their home.

Hamburg was truly devastated in the bombing. Thousands of orphans were on the loose, and living from hand to mouth. Apparently, the British referred to them as "ferals." It was the more interesting as The Girl's father is from Hamburg, and he has told of his own experience after the war. (He was not yet 15 when the war ended. He'll be 88 later this year.) I recommend the novel.

EDIT: Here's a review from The Guardian.
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