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Quit picking on the French

 
 
Grand Duke
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jan, 2005 12:01 pm
Francis wrote:
Giving water, when asked, is compulsory in french bars and restaurants.


And here also.
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Francis
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jan, 2005 12:03 pm
My session is suspended for an hour : dinner time!
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Grand Duke
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jan, 2005 12:05 pm
Francis wrote:
Just for them executing their royal family : it was 211 years ago!


I had in my head Louis XVI, and somehow that became the 16th century which was roughly 400 years ago. Thanks for correcting me, Francis.

****! That's awfully close to the American revolution. Was there some kind of "international decade of getting rid of legal sovereignty" which no-one told Britain about?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jan, 2005 12:29 pm
Heard something interesting on the radio this morning. It was the British Parliament that was the very first to outlaw slavery, but by some fluke in the ways of establishing laws, it didn't get into the law books. Anybody have the full dope on this?
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Grand Duke
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jan, 2005 12:36 pm
I read something about this in a book I got for Christmas. I'll dig it out when I get chance and see if I can find the reference.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jan, 2005 12:38 pm
By a ruling of William Murray, Lord Mansfield, June 22, 1772, England became " soil whose air is deemed too pure for slaves to breathe in."
(Case of James Somerset vs. his master, Mr. Stewart of Virginia)

In parliament, after a couple of attempts, finally, in 1804, a general abolition bill was passed and then tabled. This was a devastating setback; however, victory was imminent. In 1805 the House of Commons barely defeated yet another bill calling for abolition. At last, in 1807, thirty-five years after Mansfield's ruling Parliament formally abolished the slave trade.
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nimh
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jan, 2005 12:55 pm
Grand Duke wrote:
Just as an aside, I'd like to state the reasons why I personally like the French:

Giving wine to children in sensible amounts
Baguettes (hot, fresh, buttered)
The Metric system
Low levels of taxation on booze & fags
Croissants (hot, fresh, buttered)
Allowing Thiery Henry & Eric Cantona to play in the English league
Their love of garlic in cooking (the king of all flavours, IMO)
Executing their royal family and aristocracy 400 years ago (I wish we had)
The Citroen 2CV
Daft Punk (house dj's/producers)
Julie Delpi, and any other attractive Frenchwoman speaking English (soooo sexy)


Would anyone care to agree/disagree?


LOL!

No, I'm totally with you here ... specially on the baguettes, croissants, Daft Punk and executing yer royal families. Wish we had, too. ;-)

Plus: leafy squares in the South (plane-trees?) ... bakeries on every corner ... pretty cafes on every corner ... pretty girls in pretty cafes on every corner ...

and MC Solaar
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nimh
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jan, 2005 12:57 pm
Only thing I cant figger out is how the same country can have given us fries and kisses - its not like the two go particularly well together ...
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jan, 2005 01:04 pm
'Fritten speciaal' might have another meaning than you ever thought of! Laughing
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Francis
 
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Reply Mon 10 Jan, 2005 02:15 pm
What about this :

Quote:
A Literary Hoax-en-Paris

A Year in the Merde is a smarmy, amusing diary of a young Brit's first impressions of Paris. Or is it?

By DONALD MORRISON


Paul West, 27, left his native Britain a year ago to help launch a chain of English tea rooms in Paris. He kept a diary of his adventures and published 200 copies privately, mostly for friends. But Paris bookstores discovered West's gently satirical look at Gallic foibles, radio stations invited him to discuss it, and now the book, A Year in the Merde (Bantam Press; 335 pages), is poised to become an international publishing phenomenon. After a high-profile auction in July, Bantam won British rights to Merde for nearly $140,000, and the book is being rushed into U.K. stores in September. Publishers in the U.S., France and Germany have anted up for their own editions. Movie rights have been sold.

This success story is all absolutely true, except that Paul West is not in his 20s, did not arrive in Paris two years ago, launch any tea rooms or keep a diary. Oh, and he isn't Paul West. His real name is Stephen Clarke, and he's a 45-year-old Oxford-educated Briton who works as an editor in Paris and has lived there for 11 years. "I saw the movie Chocolat," he says, "and the idea of a British woman opening a chocolate shop and working in a French village seemed so wrong, so un-French. Then I read [Peter Mayle's bestselling] A Year in Provence and noticed that the first word is 'January.' I thought, No! The French year begins in September, when people come back from holiday. So I knew there was a book to be written."

Determined to set foreigners straight about his adopted home, Clarke began compiling anecdotes. But he wanted a sexier protagonist than himself, so he opted for fiction and invented Paul West, "a cross between Hugh Grant and David Beckham." He also wanted to hide behind a pseudonym, not to avoid trouble with his employers, "but because if the book failed, I'd look like an idiot." That danger having receded, Clarke is using his own name for the U.K. edition. "I was a little worried when I started giving readings in Paris, since I'm clearly not 27," he says. "Hardly anybody noticed."

Perhaps they were too busy laughing ?- or fuming ?- at the cultural mishaps of young West, whose tea-room project is undermined by work-shy French colleagues and Iraq-fueled anti-British sentiment. Merde, named after the residue found on Paris sidewalks, takes swipes at such institutions as government ("a French politician without a mistress is like a sheriff without a gun ?- people think he has no firepower"), cheek-kissing ("if ever there's a serious epidemic of facial herpes, they'll have to get condoms for their heads"), kitchen utensils ("no wonder the French make such good engineers ?- you need a degree in industrial design just to cook dinner") and even Marianne, the French Uncle Sam: "This being France, instead of a bearded old uncle who looks as if he should be advertising fried chicken, they have a seminaked woman."

The book also imparts practical advice. If you order café au lait, beer or water at a restaurant, you're likely to get skinned; instead, demand a crème, a demi or a carafe de l'eau, as the French do. To wiggle out of a house purchase, ask your bank to deny you a mortgage. At dinner, don't commit the cheese-course gaffe of cutting the tips off Brie and Camembert wedges; instead try the fragrant Cantal, "like soft Cheddar, with a hint of athlete's foot."

As a prose stylist, Clarke can't hold a cheese knife to legions of past Anglo-Saxon observers like Mark Twain and Janet Flanner (or even to Mayle). But Merde has a lively plot ?- West's French boss is up to no good ?- plus an element missing in many such tomes: sex. The hero's success in learning to separate politesse from a French woman's true intentions is instructive, as are his graphic descriptions of the rewards.

How much of the book is autobiographical? "Moi, je ne regrette rien," Piafs Clarke, who refuses to talk about his personal life (he is reported to have children in Paris schools). Not that there is much for him to regret these days. Bantam and other publishers are looking at his two previous unpublished novels, and Clarke is at work on a sequel to Merde. "I just love this whole cultural clash thing," says the man caught in it for more than a decade. "There's so much to say."
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 10 Jan, 2005 03:15 pm
Quote, "Only thing I cant figger out is how the same country can have given us fries and kisses - its not like the two go particularly well together ..." LOL Wink
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nimh
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jul, 2005 07:01 am
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What might truly interest women readers is the news elsewhere in the Telegraaf about the success of the French woman, who is not only noted for being more elegant, sexier and independent than most women in the world, but is also a kind of "superwoman".

A French woman sees no conflict between career and motherhood, says the article, because of the fine French system of day-care, nursery schools and hot meals for kids. Together with Irish women she has the largest average number of children in Europe (1.9), and together with her Spanish counterparts, she lives the longest too: to an average age of 84.

Radio Netherlands Press Review Service
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Lash
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jul, 2005 04:56 pm
It's all the time and energy they save not shaving their hairy pits and legs.

Not worth a few extra years.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jul, 2005 11:23 pm
You really must have met the wrong persons when you visited France.
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Francis
 
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Reply Thu 21 Jul, 2005 12:43 am
For sure!
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goodfielder
 
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Reply Thu 21 Jul, 2005 03:21 am
Karen Hughes was born in Paris (Paris, France, not Paris, Texas) (sorry I haven't gone through the whole thread so if that has been mentioned before then je suis désolé Very Happy )
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nimh
 
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Reply Thu 21 Jul, 2005 03:43 am
Lash has been in France? Shocked
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 21 Jul, 2005 05:07 am
nimh wrote:
Lash has been in France? Shocked


Well, since there have at least two threads about this, with all negating this prejudice, she must have have personal different knowledge.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 21 Jul, 2005 10:03 am
Lash has "personal different knowledge" about many subjects. This just happens to be one of them. LOL
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Lash
 
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Reply Thu 21 Jul, 2005 03:21 pm
I observed hairy French women.

I believe that is good enough knowledge.

If they have gotten some razors since then, I am nothing if not relieved.
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