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Why I left the Democratic Party

 
 
Lash
 
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Reply Thu 8 Mar, 2018 06:43 pm
@maporsche,
You’d probably let him do whatever the **** he pleases with your approval as long as he has a D by his name.

You’re worse than me.
maporsche
 
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Reply Thu 8 Mar, 2018 07:51 pm
@Lash,
Lash wrote:

You’d probably let him do whatever the **** he pleases with your approval as long as he has a D by his name.

You’re worse than me.


Anything left of center. He didn’t run as a Berniecrat. His mere presence helps the Democrats control the legislative agenda. That is worth more to me than voting out a moderate democrat and replacing him with a republican...just because he voted on the policies he ran on.

If you want to call his office and send him letters and pressure him to be more left of center, then do that. But on Election Day you better not insist that he be voted out of office

In no world am I worse than you. None.
maporsche
 
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Reply Thu 8 Mar, 2018 08:24 pm
I’d rather have 60 moderate Democrats than 49 Bernie Sanders.
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Real Music
 
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Reply Thu 8 Mar, 2018 08:48 pm
Elizabeth Warren Speaks Out Against Plan To
Scale Back Dodd-Frank Regulations



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Real Music
 
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Reply Thu 8 Mar, 2018 10:41 pm

Democrats Are Considering Dropping Superdelegates Altogether

https://www.buzzfeed.com/rubycramer/democrats-are-weighing-a-proposal-to-eliminate?utm_term=.sk9KbA7N3A#.yv8ZbYEBpY
Lash
 
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Reply Fri 9 Mar, 2018 12:59 am
@Real Music,
Progressives are dragging the DNC into the light. It’s thrilling to see the changes evolving.
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Lash
 
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Reply Fri 9 Mar, 2018 01:07 am
@maporsche,
Why do you think progressives have turned their backs on establishment democrats?

They’re not left of center. They’re a bunch of republicans with Ds—& in that case, I’ll fight them based on wtf they DO, not what letter they hide behind.

Open your eyes.
Lash
 
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Reply Fri 9 Mar, 2018 07:10 am
Anti-Gay rights, anti-abortion ‘democrat’ being primaried by a Berniecrat.
With Bernie’s endorsement.

🎉👏🏻😎👌🏻

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/377347-sanders-backs-ill-dem-primarying-incumbent?amp&__twitter_impression=true

Why does Pelosi back the anti-liberal DINO Lipinski??
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revelette1
 
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Reply Fri 9 Mar, 2018 07:20 am
@Lash,
I have been a democrat all my voting life, I have never supported a republican cause or even candidate other than my father-in-law for our local school board and briefly considered McCain but changed my mind because of his domestic and foreign policies (I just liked him.) If I tried to join a republican party and went to a political event and expressed my political views, I am pretty sure I would get booed out. Considering all that is why I get so offended at your accusations being a republican light or whatever term you want to use. I agree with the some of the far left, in fact I am not sure there is an issue I do disagree with them on. It is simply methods and extremism I disagree on. I disagree with some of our established as you call them democrats when they give on important issues such as Dodd and Frank but on some instances, negotiating with those in power is the only way to stem the total right wing direction this country is currently on.

We are in a spot in some of these red states where democrats have a chance. If we elect a too moderate democrat, I agree with you, we end up with a republican light, on the other hand, in these rural states, you won't elect someone who believes in the right to choose and gay rights and issues such as that. Those are the issues in rural states it usually comes down to.

However none of this may matter if in later years if republicans keep redistricting the states to their advantage.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Fri 9 Mar, 2018 07:20 am
@Lash,
Lash wrote:

Why do you think progressives have turned their backs on establishment democrats?

They’re not left of center. They’re a bunch of republicans with Ds—& in that case, I’ll fight them based on wtf they DO, not what letter they hide behind.

Open your eyes.
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maporsche
 
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Reply Fri 9 Mar, 2018 08:27 am
@revelette1,
Having 10 moderate Democrats doesn’t make the party Republican-lite any more than having 10 progressives makes the party Socialist.

Having the majority is all that matters in our government. You think Jon Tester or whichever moderate democrat will ever become majority leader?

When we have 60 Democrats in power (even with the few moderates) we get groundbreaking bills like the ACA and Dodd Frank. These aren’t Republican-lite.

I don’t care if 1 member is anti-something as long as the party overall isn’t.

Lash’s stance on guns would cause Progressive candidates to run primaries against her. She’s insisting on leftist-purity while herself not holding pure leftist views. I swear it takes some pretty dense denial to not see the irony there.
Lash
 
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Reply Fri 9 Mar, 2018 08:29 am
@revelette1,
What are your views on the power of Big Pharma in our government?

The cost of healthcare?

Lead-filled water in Flint ruining the brains of poor children?

Fracking?

Monsanto poisoning Americans with our government’s blessing?

Re-loosening regulations that were put in place after the Wall Street crash?

No jail time for banksters who made off like bandits during the crash?

Outrageous race-based persecution in law enforcement and prison systems?

The DNC suppressing progressive votes by trolling online and colluding with the media to box out a popular candidate.
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Progressives recognize one another in large part because they mostly share opinions on these topics.

Establishment Democrats equivocate or rationalize around these topics.



Lash
 
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Reply Fri 9 Mar, 2018 09:00 am
@maporsche,
Maporschee—just thinking about his Porsche a lot, his money, how to get more money—not keeping up with what’s happening in American politics.

Democrats like guns. A growing number are educating themselves about guns, and becoming responsible gun owners.

Educate yourself.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/04/liberal-gun-owner-enthusiast-second-amendment-politics-2017-215784

Excerpt:

Since its founding in 2007, the Liberal Gun Club, has served as a refuge for a group of people who occupy a lonely no man’s land in the middle of the nation’s gun wars. They wince at fellow liberals who seem to want to ban everything—guns, ammunition, bump stocks—but don’t know the first thing about how guns work. But they’re disgusted by the paranoid, left-baiting rhetoric pumped out by the NRA. Mostly, over the years, they’ve kept to themselves.

But in the wake of Trump’s election—and reports of traditional Democratic voters buying guns at higher rates—the group is discovering that it can be a platform as much as a safe space. The non-profit’s membership has doubled in the last year to 2,000 dues-paying members in nearly every state, with 7,500 people who actively post on its message boards and another 9,000 Facebook fans. The membership is minuscule compared to the 5 million who the NRA claims (55 million Americans own guns). But they have been interviewed recently by outlets from the BBC, Boston Magazine and the Associated Press. Even NRA TV invited members of the club to appear in a segment. They declined, which speaks to the question of how prominent a role the group can, or wants to take in the wider national discussion on gun law reform.

Still, an internal survey this year found members want the club to be more politically active. The LGC’s California chapter already has stepped up its lobbying efforts, while the group as a whole has considered jumpstarting a long-dormant PAC to support gun rights, but without resorting to the dark imagery and siege mentality of the NRA’s Dana Loesch videos. Knowing that 20 percent of Democrats own guns, could the LGC, some members wonder, provide a bridge between two implacably opposed camps—liberals and the NRA-led gun lobby?

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There are people with different opinions about guns.
maporsche
 
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Reply Fri 9 Mar, 2018 09:03 am
@Lash,
You left an assault weapons ban off this list....that's got to be part of any progressive purity test you insist on, doesn't it?

Oh wait, it's totally ok if you disagree with a progressive viewpoint (it doesn't make you any less progressive) but if a Democrat disagrees with a different point on your list, they need to be tarred, feathered, and run out of office.

Got it.
maporsche
 
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Reply Fri 9 Mar, 2018 09:07 am
@Lash,
Lash wrote:

There are people with different opinions about guns.


1) I don't own a Porsche, and when I did, it was one that could be bought for about $6000. Brand new Porsches can be bought that are less than mini-vans. You need to educate yourself.

2) Regarding the quote above....no ******* **** Lash. There are democrats with different opinions about healthcare. With different opinions about the minimum wage. With different opinions about literally every topic that you have an ideological purity check for.

What I can't understand, is why you think your different opinion on guns, is A-OK in your book, but my different opinion of say starting with a $12 minimum age and indexing it to inflation makes me a DINO.
Lash
 
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Reply Fri 9 Mar, 2018 09:17 am
@maporsche,
Your SCREEN NAME obsesses about your Porsche. It’s how you want to be identified—and it is. Yuck.

Gun ownership is an individual choice that doesn’t infringe on someone else’s life. It’s a personal choice. Like abortion.

Holding down the amount poorer people can make is enforcing subjugation of a class of people. There’s a difference.
maporsche
 
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Reply Fri 9 Mar, 2018 09:20 am
@Lash,
Lash wrote:

What are your views on the power of Big Pharma in our government? Needs either price regulation, medicare negotiating power,
or patent reform.


The cost of healthcare? Too high. I'd like to see the government give corporate benefits to putting their workers on the Obamacare exchanges. I'd like to see health insurance decoupled from employment. I'd like to see a public option or medicare buy-in option available. Mandate needs to be brought back and increased. More subsidies for more income brackets.

Lead-filled water in Flint ruining the brains of poor children? Obviously needs to be fixed. Government needs to step in and fix. Michigan needs to pay the cost in some way.

Fracking? Needs to have environmental protections put in place and followed with severe penalties.

Monsanto poisoning Americans with our government’s blessing? I don't think this is a real issue. But to the extant that pesticides usage can be monitored to ensure safe levels, it needs to be.

Re-loosening regulations that were put in place after the Wall Street crash? This makes it sound like Dodd-Frank was repealed and the government is giving out gold bars to whomever can crash the economy next. I'm would vote against this bill that passed the Senate, but like Barney Frank himself said, it's no big deal. The overall bill is unharmed.

No jail time for banksters who made off like bandits during the crash? Who's happy about this, right or left?

Outrageous race-based persecution in law enforcement and prison systems? Absolutely disgraceful. Every prison sentence should be reviewed and reevaluated. Low level drug infractions should be expunged from people's record.

The DNC suppressing progressive votes by trolling online and colluding with the media to box out a popular candidate. Hahahahahahahaha


Establishment Democrats equivocate or rationalize around these topics. Such BS
maporsche
 
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Reply Fri 9 Mar, 2018 09:21 am
@Lash,
Lash wrote:

Because gun ownership is an individual choice that doesn’t infringe on someone else’s life. It’s a personal choice. Like abortion.

Holding down the amount poorer people can make is enforcing subjugation of a class of people. There’s a difference.


Wait, are you equivocating or rationalizing around this issue? Both?
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maporsche
 
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Reply Fri 9 Mar, 2018 09:26 am
@Lash,
Lol...I picked this screen name 14-15 years ago when I was 24 and in a much different place in life.

I grew up super poor Lash (oldest of 6 kids, working since I was 12, bought my family food with foodstamps when my parents were working). When I was 24 I had finally saved enough money for my first car and I had been dreaming about a Porsche since I was a teenager. I bought a 20 year old Porsche 924 for something like $5,000 and I'd finally had something that I worked hard for, saved a long time for, and bought something that I'd really wanted. It felt good. I felt proud of myself. I knew it wasn't the $120,000 1998 Porsche 911 Turbo with the air cooled engine that I fell in love with (I'll never own that car). But it said Porsche on the rear end.

I'd driven that car for as long as I could before rust and one expensive breakdown after another took her from me.


But sure, that's a yucky story.
oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 9 Mar, 2018 09:34 am
@maporsche,
maporsche wrote:
Obviously needs to be fixed. Government needs to step in and fix. Michigan needs to pay the cost in some way.

Why does Michigan need to be the one to pay?
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