Why I left the Democratic Party

@oralloy,

Germany's health insurance plan I don't think is called UHC because it has both government funding and private funding.

Here is a pretty good link to information on it. (If I am off base, I hope Walter or someone else can correct me on it.)

I think their health care system seems pretty logical.

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@revelette1,

revelette1 wrote:

Germany's health insurance plan I don't think is called UHC because it has both government funding and private funding.

I've never heard them excluded from the list of countries that have UHC.

revelette1 wrote:

Here is a pretty good link to information on it. (If I am off base, I hope Walter or someone else can correct me on it.)

I think it's accurate.

A few years ago the OECD came up with a good comparison/categorization of the various national health coverage schemes used by countries around the world:
http://agus34drajat.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/health-care-systems_efficiency-and-policy-settings.pdf

revelette1 wrote:

I think their health care system seems pretty logical.

If we strengthened regulations on the Obamacare exchanges, made insurers not-for-profit, and gave poor people subsidies so they could afford insurance, we'd have something similar.

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@revelette1,

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Universal health coverage is defined as ensuring that all people have access to needed health services (including prevention, promotion, treatment, rehabilitation and palliation) of sufficient quality to be effective while also ensuring that the use of these services does not expose the user the financial hardship. Universal health coverage has therefore become a major goal for health reform in many countries and a priority objective of WHO....people need to be protected from being pushed into poverty because of the cost of health care.

http://www.who.int/healthsystems/universal_health_coverage/en/

That definition, straight from the World Health Organization, certainly does not preclude private health insurance from being included.

But, under that same definition, I guess it's debatable as to whether Obamacare would be included. Sure those already in poverty have access, which satisfies this part: "while also ensuring that the use of these services does not expose the user the financial hardship.." It's all free to them. But as for those not already in poverty, it probably doesn't satisfy this part of the definition: 'people need to be protected from being pushed into poverty because of the cost of health care."

So, I guess once everyone's broke, are in poverty, and can therefore pay no taxes, we have have taxes pay for EVERYBODY, eh? Oh, wait......

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@oralloy,

You are confusing ACA (affordable care act) with UHC (universal health care). If you are an adult Ward of the State, your health care and housing would be provided by State you live in as well as the Federal Government. But that’s not UHC, it means that the taxpayers are providing for you because you are unable to care for yourself because of physical or developmental disabilities.

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@glitterbag,

glitterbag wrote:

You are confusing ACA (affordable care act) with UHC (universal health care).

No confusion. The ACA is a version of UHC.

glitterbag wrote:

If you are an adult Ward of the State, your health care and housing would be provided by State you live in as well as the Federal Government. But that’s not UHC, it means that the taxpayers are providing for you because you are unable to care for yourself because of physical or developmental disabilities.

That's nice. It doesn't change the fact that the ACA is a version of UHC.

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glitterbag wrote:

Except that it does.

No. Your irrelevant comment about wards of the state does not in any way change the reality that the ACA is a form of UHC.

And name-calling only shows that you have no real arguments.

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@glitterbag,

ACA is a light weight version of UHC.

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The UK has a GREAT health care system! Just recently there was a prolonged story about some young boy with a terminal, yet treatable, disease that it refused to treat.

But that's not the worst of it. Their plan made it illegal for the boy to get treatment in another country, like Italy, who was offering to treat the boy for free. When the parents took him to the airport to leave for Italy, they were arrested, and the boy was returned to his little government cubicle to die. Which has now happened. Score another victory for bureaucratic dispensation of "health care," eh?

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@ehBeth,

Yeah, not only light weight, but so encumbered by republican revisions, the additional rebuplican revisions of revisions, and then revisions of the revisions of revisions.......it was a weak sister by the time it became law.

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@ehBeth,

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there are so many good examples for the US to look at and consider following

To follow the example of other nations is unamerican, if not downright satanist.

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@Olivier5,

Olivier5 wrote:

To follow the example of other nations is unamerican, if not downright satanist.

Not to even mention just plumb stoopid, eh?

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Gen. George S. Patton wrote:

I would rather have two German divisions in front of me than one French division behind me.

Patton, dealing with a Frog who infiltrated his army posing as an American:

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@layman,

Apparently my reply was pulled down because I called you "boy"... but it's still fine to call a Frenchman "frog". Go figure.

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@Olivier5,

Olivier5 wrote:

Apparently my reply was pulled down because I called you "boy"... but it's still fine to call a Frenchman "frog". Go figure.

Unfortunately, these admins never ask the actual participants for their comments or impressions before deciding to unilaterally censor posters, eh?

I'm not "offended." My feelings aren't "hurt." I don't give a **** what you or anyone else calls me.

But it's typical for some to assume that what "offends" them is somehow innately and inherently offensive. They seem to think that if offense is "taken," then it had to have been "given," and vice versa.

I don't think so! Homey don't play dat.

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@layman,

Oh I trust you didn't report it. Maybe they think you're some kind of snowflake. Or they want to protect the board from my nefarious frog influence.

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@oralloy,

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If we strengthened regulations on the Obamacare exchanges, made insurers not-for-profit, and gave poor people subsidies so they could afford insurance, we'd have something similar.

I agree.

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https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/07/upshot/one-third-dont-know-obamacare-and-affordable-care-act-are-the-same.html

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Feather in the cap of the Dems: They turncoated Feinstein. Now, if they’d just bounce those other useless geezers. Way to go, California Dems!

https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/15/politics/kevin-de-leon-dianne-feinstein-california-democrats/index.html

Excerpt:

Leaders of the California Democratic Party on Saturday voted overwhelmingly to endorse Kevin de León for the US Senate over incumbent Sen. Dianne Feinstein.

De León, a more liberal, activist voice within the party, recently served as California State Senate president pro tempore and currently represents parts of Los Angeles. Feinstein, the leading Democrat on the Senate Judiciary Committee, is seeking her fifth full term in the Senate.
De León garnered 65% of the vote among the party's executive board members, Feinstein received 7% of the vote, and 28% voted "no endorsement." Sixty percent of the vote was needed for the party to officially endorse a candidate.
In a statement shortly after the endorsement, de León renewed his call for a debate against Feinstein and celebrated the win.

"Earning the endorsement of so many leaders and activists of the California Democratic Party isn't just an honor and a privilege; today's vote is a clear-eyed rejection of politics as usual in Washington, D.C.," de León said in the statement. "Through years of hard-won progress, we have proven to the world that California can forge a path for the rest of the nation."

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@Lash,

This is the same de Leon who said, on the senate floor while advocating on behalf of the pending legislation, that half his family would be jobless and deported if they weren't allowed to use stolen ID's and social security numbers, so identity theft should be made legal, eh?

Like Cortez's district in Brooklyn, hispanics now outnumber all other races and ethnic groups in California. Mexican flags are on virtually every front porch and street corner. He will do very well there, no doubt.

The democrats will lose a shitload of electoral votes when California secedes and declares itself to be a new province of Mexico. They won't like that, but there's nothing they can do now to stop it, so....

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@layman,

I aint lyin this time, neither:

CBS wrote:

Senate Leader: ‘Half Of My Family’ Eligible For Deportation Under Trump Order

LOS ANGELES (CBSLA.com) — A Los Angeles lawmaker leading the fight to make California a so-called “sanctuary state” has suggested half of his family would be deported for using falsified Social Security cards and other fake identification.

California Senate Leader Kevin de Leon made the claims during testimony before the Senate’s Public Safety Committee for SB54, a bill introduced by De Leon that would create a statewide sanctuary for immigrants living in the country illegally.

"Half of my family would be eligible for deportation under the executive order, because they got a false social security card, they got a false identification, they got a false driver’s license prior to us passing AB 60, they got a false green card, and anyone who has family members who are undocumented knows that almost entirely everybody has secured some sort of false identification.”

https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2017/02/06/senate-leader-half-of-my-family-eligible-for-deportation-under-trump-order/

Needless to say, his bill passed easily. As did his AB 60 bill, which gave illegals the right to get a driver's license and automatically registered to vote. A very popular guy in California, sho nuff.

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