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Why I left the Democratic Party

 
 
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Fri 8 Jun, 2018 10:02 pm
I read an article that states Bernie could still run if he chooses to.
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Real Music
 
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Reply Fri 8 Jun, 2018 10:08 pm
@Lash,
Quote:
The Dems just put in place a rule stating that only Dems can run as Dems.

Where did you hear this?
I tried to search for this online.
I can't find anything.
Do you have a link?
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Fri 8 Jun, 2018 10:15 pm
@Real Music,
It's true. I don't have a link. But, Sanders home state Democrats already passed a resolution considering him a Democrat. The rule does not affect him much at all.
Real Music
 
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Reply Fri 8 Jun, 2018 10:22 pm
@Lash,
I found the article.

DNC panel adopts rule requiring candidates to run, serve as a Democrat.
June 8, 2018

Quote:
The Democratic National Committee (DNC) adopted a new rule on Friday aimed at keeping outsider candidates like Bernie Sanders from trying to clinch the Democratic presidential nomination in 2020.

The new rule, adopted by the DNC’s Rules and Bylaws Committee, requires all Democratic presidential candidates to be a member of the Democratic Party, Yahoo News reported.

A presidential candidate running for the Democratic nomination must be a member of the party, accept the Democratic nomination and “run and serve” as a member.

Sanders, who has maintained his status as an Independent, fought a tough primary race for the Democratic nomination against eventual Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton in 2016.

A source familiar with the discussions told Yahoo News, however, that the rule wasn't targeted at Sanders.
Randi Weingarten, president of the American Federation of Teachers and DNC member, posted a photo on Twitter Friday of the rules change at the meeting in Providence, R.I.

“At the time a presidential candidate announces their candidacy publicly, they must publicly affirm that they are a Democrat,” the rule says.

In March, the DNC voted to acknowledge a need to reduce the influence of so-called “superdelegates” in presidential primaries — the unelected delegates who may support any candidate for the party’s nomination, regardless of their state's victor.

Yahoo News reported that the committee did finalize a vote on superdelegates and will decide in August.

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/391459-dnc-panel-adopts-rule-requiring-candidates-to-run-serve-as-a-democrat
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Real Music
 
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Reply Fri 8 Jun, 2018 10:27 pm
@edgarblythe,
Quote:
But, Sanders home state Democrats already passed a resolution considering him a Democrat. The rule does not affect him much at all.

That's good news that this rule doesn't have much affect on Bernie Sanders. Very Happy
Now, Bernie can run as a democrat. He may end up being an early favorite.
roger
 
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Reply Fri 8 Jun, 2018 10:39 pm
@edgarblythe,
I'm pretty sure that kind of thing is up to the individual state parties.
Real Music
 
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Reply Fri 8 Jun, 2018 10:50 pm
@roger,
As far as I know, voters declare their party affiliation or non affiliation at the place they register to vote. I believe that is most commonly done at any local DMV in the state the voter resides in.
roger
 
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Reply Fri 8 Jun, 2018 10:52 pm
@Real Music,
I begin to think I should have said many or most of these things are done at state level.

I registered at the county clerks office, but lately I see that around here, there are lots of other places to register.
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Olivier5
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jun, 2018 02:06 am
@edgarblythe,
That spreading rumors about people's alledged pedophilia is the dirtiest political trick in the bag.
roger
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jun, 2018 02:22 am
@Olivier5,
Yes indeed.
Lash
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jun, 2018 04:15 am
@Real Music,
It was designed to **** with Bern.

https://www.google.com/amp/thehill.com/homenews/campaign/391459-dnc-panel-adopts-rule-requiring-candidates-to-run-serve-as-a-democrat%3famp

he Democratic National Committee (DNC) adopted a new rule on Friday aimed at keeping outsider candidates like Bernie Sanders from trying to clinch the Democratic presidential nomination in 2020.

The new rule, adopted by the DNC's Rules and Bylaws Committee, requires all Democratic presidential candidates to be a member of the Democratic Party, Yahoo News reported.

A presidential candidate running for the Democratic nomination must be a member of the party, accept the Democratic nomination and "run and serve" as a member.

Sanders, who has maintained his status as an Independent, fought a tough primary race for the Democratic nomination against eventual Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton in 2016.
Lash
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jun, 2018 04:29 am
@Lash,
My fondest hope is that this ploy by the DNC will compel Bernie and Our Revolution to go ahead and form a competing party.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jun, 2018 05:22 am
@Lash,
It was definitely aimed at Bernie. I agree that he should organize a third party, the sooner the better.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jun, 2018 06:46 am
DNC changes rules to stop Bernie Sanders, but it might not work
His agreement with the Vermont DP is precedent (if the matter has to be litigated).

For those who are familiar with what's been going on for the past year and a half -- that would not include the little old lady at the Beauty Shop, by her own declaration -- I'll cut to the chase.

Sanders, who is currently running for reelection, typically runs in the state’s Democratic primary but declines the party’s nomination after winning. The move allows him to fend off Democratic challengers in the state while still running as an independent. Last month, the Vermont Democratic Party passed a resolution supporting this strategy and proclaiming that Sanders would still be considered a member of the party “for all purposes and entitled to all the rights and privileges that come with such membership at the state and federal level.” That membership could inoculate him against the DNC’s rules change.

In fact, it might be on the path to... not killing off, but neutering the superdelegates. At least on the first ballot for the presidential nomination, taken at the national convention.

One source familiar with the discussions told Yahoo News the rules change was not aimed at Sanders and wouldn’t necessarily affect him. In fact, the source described it as a step that was designed to make it easier for party leaders to accept one of Sanders’s main priorities — the end of superdelegates.

Committee members are continuing to discuss the proposal to eliminate superdelegates. They will meet again to make a final vote on the proposal in the coming weeks before all proposed changes head to the DNC for a final vote in August.

I am wary that this is progress, and don't harbor any hope that the Donks can manage to do the right thing in two months. The easy arguments against blocking Bernie from the nom on the "he's not a Democrat" fallacy are obvious: the 2016 split becomes a canyon, the centrists and establishment succeed in driving him away to run as an independent or to anoint someone who does, and Trump cruises to re-election. And the blame game begins anew.

Squandering the millennial and independent base of votes ready to line up behind an FDR Democrat and not another incrementalist isn't something most of the neoliberals running the DNC seem to be concerned about. Doing the same thing over and over again -- like Texas Democrats trying to get Republicans to vote for them -- and expecting a different result in ... well, you know.

Just not a fight the Democrats ought to be having.

https://brainsandeggs.blogspot.com/2018/06/dnc-changes-rules-to-stop-bernie.html?spref=fb
Lash
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jun, 2018 07:14 am
@edgarblythe,
This rule will give them another excuse to screw him over with other anti-democratic shenanigans. It would be folly to try to count on “his agreement with the Vermont DP,” imo.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jun, 2018 08:14 am
A progressive third party would get the left wing of the Democrats and the left leaning independents and probably some disillusioned Republicans. But is it enough? The media would bury news of his campaign, except to repeat ludicrous accusations from both parties. Many likely supporters will have their votes suppressed. I would have done this a few years ago. I fear that too many sympathetic voters will be afraid to vote third party in a time when there is D. Trump to contend with.
Lash
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jun, 2018 09:08 am
@edgarblythe,
Let them make a choice. I think Trump and Sanders movements were a direct result of anti-establishment sentiment that would fuel a surprising success of a new party founded on pro-people policies.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jun, 2018 09:17 am
@Lash,
Lash wrote:

My fondest hope is that this ploy by the DNC will compel Bernie and Our Revolution to go ahead and form a competing party.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Democratic_Party_(UK)<br />

Many people over here, me included, think the 3rd party SDP is what resulted in the long long years of Thatcherism. All they succeeded in doing was splitting the anti Tory vote.
revelette1
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jun, 2018 09:26 am
Since Sanders state Vermont list him as a democrat for all intents and purposes, I don't see how this move by the DNC was a move against Sanders. I mean, they had to known about the Vermont resolution when they decided only democrats are able to run as democrats. Perhaps their motive was actually what they said it was, a way to deal with superdelegates?

Since this is something I have been wanting for quite a while now, I am glad it was done. It doesn't really help democrats against progressives since a third party vote still scatters votes, but it just makes sense to me. It never made sense to me for a progressive to run as a democrat and then spend their campaign dissing the democrats. It is like a Baptist member of a church joining the Catholic church and spend spend his/her whole time as a member complaining about the doctrines of the Catholic church.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jun, 2018 10:14 am
@revelette1,
They don't diss all Democrats. Only the ones that support Republican style corporatism.
 

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