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A fetus is no more a baby than a child is a grown up.

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DrewDad wrote:

Ticomaya wrote:
Actually, you probably don't hear pro-lifers using the term "fetus." In my observation, that term is used most often by the pro-abortionists who don't want to refer to the baby as a baby. "It's just a fetus, after all. It's not a real baby."

I hear doctors use the term fetus to describe pregnancy; I only hear anti-women's rights people use the term "baby" for a fetus.

Well, you might note my point was that the pro-life crowd doesn't usually refer to the baby as a fetus. It appears you agree with my point.

I'm not sure which doctors you're referring to, but I don't think I've heard an OB/GYN refer to a woman's pregnancy as "her fetus." When the pregnant mother shows up for her sonogram, you don't hear the technician say, "Look! There's your fetus! See it's little feet?"

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A fetus is no more a baby than a child is a grown up.

Hmm. Any idea, then, why they refer to these babies as "fetuses"?

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so Tico, you in favor of my suggestion that we make abortion a capital offense like murder 1?

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Ticomaya wrote:

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A fetus is no more a baby than a child is a grown up.

Hmm. Any idea, then, why they refer to these babies as "fetuses"?

They refer to the fetuses as fetuses because they are in deed fetuses, why do anti abortionists refer to the fetuses as babies?

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I think this fetus/baby argument has no end.

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dyslexia wrote:

so Tico, you in favor of my suggestion that we make abortion a capital offense like murder 1?

No.

Steppenwolf wrote:

I think this fetus/baby argument has no end.

Agreed.

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To satisfy the pro-lifers. Why don't we kill the mother and save the fetus? Can't eat an egg without breaking the shell. :wink:

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au1929 - Interesting that you should mention that. I don't know if this is truth or a rumor, but when I was a kid, I had heard that for Catholics, if there were a choice during a difficult birth of saving the child, or saving the mother, the child would be saved.

The rationale behind this, is that the mother is already baptized, but the newborn isn't.

Is there anyone who can confirm or deny this?

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Phoenix32890
Couldn't say. However, where religion is involved anything is possible.

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au1929 wrote:

To satisfy the pro-lifers. Why don't we kill the mother and save the fetus? Can't eat an egg without breaking the shell. :wink:

Of late, this thread has become too much of a bonfire.

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dyslexia wrote:

so Tico, you in favor of my suggestion that we make abortion a capital offense like murder 1?

Of course it should be a capital offense. Anyone who believes that a fetus is a human being and that murderers should be executed should also favor capital punishment for abortionists and imprisonment of the women who authorize abortions.

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joefromchicago wrote:

dyslexia wrote:
so Tico, you in favor of my suggestion that we make abortion a capital offense like murder 1?

Of course it should be a capital offense. Anyone who believes that a fetus is a human being and that murderers should be executed should also favor capital punishment for abortionists and imprisonment of the women who authorize abortions.

I tend to agree with the following from your prior thread:

"There are plenty of people who believe abortion is murder who do not believe Capital Punishment is an appropriate punishment for all murderers." -- Finn d'Abuzz

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how about the people that blow up women's clinics? is it a moral thing and a pro-life stance to murder a doctor, nurse, receptionist, councilor or a custodial person involved in abortion?

murder 1? always? under every condition?

what about harrassment of the same people? shouldn't there be a penalty of some type for that as well.

btw, i'm not asking these questions in a beligerent way.

tico - the use of the word "fetus" was mine, not a direct quote. sorry for the confusion.

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Steppenwolf wrote:

The market for white children is nothing like the market for minority children.

that's exactly one of the points i'm discussing. and it is a strange one, as well.

isn't it true that the vast majority of whites adopt white children?

it's not uncommon for americans to adopt children from abroad. occassionally i hear about a white couple adopting from non-caucasian countries such as china, korea or india. but usually it' seems that foreign adoptees are from the western countries.

my bass player's brother and his wife adopted two little girls from russia, for instance.

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JustWonders wrote:

That's the age-old question, DTOM. No easy answers. I have several friends who were adopted at birth and all I know is I'm blessed to have them and so thankful they weren't "aborted".

Unfortunately, the abortion figures are shocking. Mind-blowing, actually.

yep, jw. no easy answers, at all.

i'd like to make it clear again, in case anyone here thinks that i'm all for
abortion, all the time, no restrictions, no responsibility etc.; i'm not. i think its a decision that needs a deeply spiritual and concise think before proceeding with a termination. and also, again, a woman's right to make that choice comes with a huge amount of responsibility.

that said, i really don't like the idea that anyone other than the pregnant woman can make the final decision.

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DontTreadOnMe wrote:

tico - the use of the word "fetus" was mine, not a direct quote. sorry for the confusion.

Gotcha. No problem.

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