Pies in the face are a form of non-violent protest. Kinda like tossing crates of tea into the harbor.
Would I get upset about a pie in Hillary's face? Probably not; depends on who threw it and whether anyone got hurt.
No harm, no foul as they say.
I would be disgusted and furious if any invited speaker was treated that way on any college compus. I can't understand anybody who would think there is no harm.
Quote:And if college campuses are tolerating this sort of thing, neither do they like any opinion other than their own leftish swill aooarently. Would you have been so quick to say 'college students do not like condescension' if it had been Hillary Clinton or Ted Kennedy or Barbara Boxer et al who had been hit by a pie on a college campus, or would you have called it intolerance?
Sure, I would be quick to say it was funny. Hitting people, especially famous people, with pies is
funny. There have been plenty of victims of this prank over the years who laughed it off and gave a stronger performance because of it.
Loosen up a little, Fox...
Cycloptichorn
Foxfyre wrote:I would be disgusted and furious if any invited speaker was treated that way on any college compus. I can't understand anybody who would think there is no harm.
Fortunately, not everyone in the world is as uptight as you are.
blatham wrote:A pie in the kisser or on the shirt. Such violence! A criminal act!
Now what if, at Abu Ghraib, those being tortured by US/Brit forces were lined up and had lemon pies thrown at them? That would be really evil, wouldn't it?
What happened wasn't torture, if you think it was then read up on a group of British SAS caught during the first Gulf War and then get back to me.
The only reason you are not bothered by it is because it is people you don't like and wouldn't mind seeing hurt. As stated, if it were some lefty you would be upset and demand that the conserative students that did it be arrested.
Our former liberal Prime Minister got pied a couple of times while he was in office. He assaulted a demonstrator. His wife beaned a home invader with a lamp, before the security people arrived. You have to watch the news extremely intently to even know about things like this here.
Pieing's not a big deal. Part of being in the public eye. Speakers/politicians/actors with opinions - if they can't take a pie in the kisser <shrug>, maybe they need to go do something a little more isolated.
Yes, pie hits are funny. They add minimally to one's dry cleaning bill and have a wonderful ego-deflation effect. Anyone who would be much offended by the act is precisely the sort deserving of it.
Serious attempts to thwart speech are an entirely different matter.
Baldimo wrote:The only reason you are not bothered by it is because it is people you don't like and wouldn't mind seeing hurt. As stated, if it were some lefty you would be upset and demand that the conserative students that did it be arrested.
Hey blatham, were you upset when Chretien got pied? Did you demand the tosser get arrested? <I sure didn't>
Baldimo wrote:The only reason you are not bothered by it is because it is people you don't like and wouldn't mind seeing hurt. As stated, if it were some lefty you would be upset and demand that the conserative students that did it be arrested.
Can you cite a source for that?
Baldimo wrote:blatham wrote:A pie in the kisser or on the shirt. Such violence! A criminal act!
Now what if, at Abu Ghraib, those being tortured by US/Brit forces were lined up and had lemon pies thrown at them? That would be really evil, wouldn't it?
What happened wasn't torture, if you think it was then read up on a group of British SAS caught during the first Gulf War and then get back to me.
The only reason you are not bothered by it is because it is people you don't like and wouldn't mind seeing hurt. As stated, if it were some lefty you would be upset and demand that the conserative students that did it be arrested.
Wrong twice. Torture it definately was and is. Loan me one of your grandchildren and we'll duplicate the acts with him/her and then we'll parse meanings together over beer. Good plan? As in your SAS analogy, we won't do everything we might to your grandkids, just the washboarding and the beatings (short of organ failure) and the lightsticks up the ass and the dogs.
As Beth and I pointed out, our PM got pied. He IS a liberal. We loved it.
ehBeth wrote:Our former liberal Prime Minister got pied a couple of times while he was in office. He assaulted a demonstrator. His wife beaned a home invader with a lamp, before the security people arrived. You have to watch the news extremely intently to even know about things like this here.
Pieing's not a big deal. Part of being in the public eye. Speakers/politicians/actors with opinions - if they can't take a pie in the kisser <shrug>, maybe they need to go do something a little more isolated.
Stealing someone's wallet that only has a few bucks in it is not a big deal either. Still a crime though.
Hitting someone with a pie that consents to it is okay. If the purpose or effect of the pie throwing is to chill the speech of the hittee, it is not okay. It is a battery.
And it is interesting that it is the self-professed champions of tolerance and free speech on the left who seem to think throwing pies at speakers is okay. And those of us who think it is not okay are simply way too uptight? Okay. The more this thread goes, the more convinced I am that the thesis is right on.
blatham wrote:Baldimo wrote:blatham wrote:A pie in the kisser or on the shirt. Such violence! A criminal act!
Now what if, at Abu Ghraib, those being tortured by US/Brit forces were lined up and had lemon pies thrown at them? That would be really evil, wouldn't it?
What happened wasn't torture, if you think it was then read up on a group of British SAS caught during the first Gulf War and then get back to me.
The only reason you are not bothered by it is because it is people you don't like and wouldn't mind seeing hurt. As stated, if it were some lefty you would be upset and demand that the conserative students that did it be arrested.
Wrong twice. Torture it definately was and is. Loan me one of your grandchildren and we'll duplicate the acts with him/her and then we'll parse meanings together over beer. Good plan? As in your SAS analogy, we won't do everything we might to your grandkids, just the washboarding and the beatings (short of organ failure) and the lightsticks up the ass and the dogs.
As Beth and I pointed out, our PM got pied. He IS a liberal. We loved it.
Already been over this one in another thread. Torture it wasn't and torture is will never be. It was wrong and I don't agree with it but it wasn't torture.
When it comes to my children, if they get thrown in jail for doing something wrong then they get what they have coming to them. I plan on telling my children that if they get thrown in jail to not call because they are going to stay there till they are released. I have no pity for those in jail; you did something to be there so sleep in the bed you have made.
I think our jails should be a little bit more like harsh, people in jail have it easier then I do. I actually have to work for my food, cable and education. All they did was hurt someone or job someone and they get easy living for their stay. Most people in jail live better then the poor in the inner cities. Make jail as unpleasant as possible and maybe people will try to toe the line in public and not be crooks.
Foxfyre wrote:And it is interesting that it is the self-professed champions of tolerance and free speech on the left who seem to think throwing pies at speakers is okay. And those of us who think it is not okay are simply way too uptight? Okay. The more this thread goes, the more convinced I am that the thesis is right on.
There is no direction or end where this thread might wander where you will not be convinced that your thesis is right on. That's the given.
There are many things that are crimes that are not wrong. There are many things that are wrong that are not crimes.
The unauthorized touching or application of force to someone when done in a rude, angry, or insolent manner, is both a crime, and wrong.
And it would seem that a university environment that encouraged diversity of thought and was not threatened by exposure to different points of view would take strong issue with assault and/or battery on an invited speaker.
I was most fortunate to have received my education in an environment where we were taught how to think, not what to think. And among speakers I recall visiting the campus were Adam Smith capitalists, avowed Marxist socialists, at least one committed Russian communist, environmentalists, moral ethicists, historians, sociologists, and political scientists not to mention the usual gamut of experts in literature and fine arts. Later in appropriate classes, we discussed the various merits or lack thereof of the views presented by the various lecturers, but any student who treated any of the invited speakers with anything other than utmost respect would receive quick and severe censure from the administration. I would suspect had any of us thrown a pie, explusion would have been likely. Houliganism, other than occasionally dismantling the President's small car and reassembling it in the foyer of the administration building, was not tolerated. And it should not be tolerated now.
Baldimo wrote:I keep having to state this, but Dook is one of the most unliberial people I have ever met. I thought liberials were supposed to be accepting of others beleifs, and he isn't very accepting.
Well, I never claimed to be a liberial. You must know alot about liberials...
Ticomaya wrote:Dookiestix wrote:Ticomaya wrote:They weren't caught.
Um, I know that. None of them ever get caught. What a coincidence!
Apparently you missed this ...
Well, nobody's perfect. Too bad Ann Coulter doesn't have a sense of humor. Kinda like you, Tico. But then again, she's one of the worst rightwing lunatics on the airwaves these days, and the neocons are only too happy to cater to her every whim. Who can forget such fascist classics such as these:
Quote:"We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity. We weren't punctilious about locating and punishing only Hitler and his top officers. We carpet-bombed German cities; we killed civilians. That's war. And this is war."
"Liberals become indignant when you question their patriotism, but simultaneously work overtime to give terrorists a cushion for the next attack and laugh at dumb Americans who love their country and hate the enemy."
COULTER: I take the biblical idea. God gave us the earth.
PETER FENN (Democratic strategist): Oh, OK.
COULTER: We have dominion over the plants, the animals, the trees.
FENN: This is a great idea.
COULTER: God says, "Earth is yours. Take it. Rape it. It's yours."
FENN: Terrific. We're Americans, so we should consume as much of the earth's resources...
COULTER: Yes! Yes.
FENN: ... as fast as we possibly can.
COULTER: As opposed to living like the Indians.
"I love Texas Republicans!" she said. "They're these beautiful women, they're so great-looking, they're completely loaded. They're dripping in this gorgeous jewelry, they're really funny and sarcastic and smart. Americans are so cool, and they're such parochial idiots here in New York."
And the best of 'em all:
"My only regret with Timothy McVeigh is he did not go to the New York Times Building."
That raging neocon tramp deserved every piece of that pie.
Ticomaya wrote:The unauthorized touching or application of force to someone when done in a rude, angry, or insolent manner, is both a crime, and wrong.
Insolence being the really bad one.
