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Diversity of Everything but Thought

 
 
cavfancier
 
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Reply Wed 1 Dec, 2004 05:52 am
You wouldn't be suggesting that Republicans care more about making money than actually governing, are you Larry?
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Larry434
 
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Reply Wed 1 Dec, 2004 06:01 am
cavfancier wrote:
You wouldn't be suggesting that Republicans care more about making money than actually governing, are you Larry?


Republicans, elected and appointed, are politicians and politicians are all about using their power to make money for themselves. So, yes, of course they are.
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cavfancier
 
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Reply Wed 1 Dec, 2004 06:05 am
Thanks Larry, not being American, I just wanted to clarify that.
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Larry434
 
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Reply Wed 1 Dec, 2004 06:20 am
cavfancier wrote:
Thanks Larry, not being American, I just wanted to clarify that.


Are politicians more altruistic in service to their country in Canada do you think?
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cavfancier
 
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Reply Wed 1 Dec, 2004 06:23 am
Depends on the politician, doesn't it? We've had our share of scandals, on both sides. One thing I do know, they have a better sense of humour than American politicians. Smile
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Larry434
 
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Reply Wed 1 Dec, 2004 06:24 am
cavfancier wrote:
Depends on the politician, doesn't it? We've had our share of scandals, on both sides. One thing I do know, they have a better sense of humour than American politicians. Smile


They and the British I think. Very Happy
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revel
 
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Reply Wed 1 Dec, 2004 11:04 am
Larry434 wrote:
DTM: Loss of 5 Senate seats, some House seats and the WH again.

They lost the Presidency by 34 electoral votes.

Yup, an ass whupping it was. Very Happy


I am a little late with responding to this, but I am wondering what this kinda "in your face" to democrats had to do with the subject at hand?

We were talking about elitist and colleges and this new subject of blue/red states. I am just trying to tie your post in together with the subject correctly.

Concering politicians: if they are in it just to be in positions to make money for themselves, shame on them and shame on us for allowing it.

Concerning Cheney, Ugh. Sorry but he literally makes my skin crawl.
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Larry434
 
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Reply Wed 1 Dec, 2004 11:10 am
Concering politicians: if they are in it just to be in positions to make money for themselves, shame on them and shame on us for allowing it.

Did you have one to vote for who was not seeking power and wealth in the last election, revel?
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revel
 
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Reply Wed 1 Dec, 2004 11:12 am
I don't know but if I knew for sure I sure wouldn't vote for him/her again.
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Wed 1 Dec, 2004 11:34 am
MaryM wrote:
"This year, for example, a criminology class at a Colorado university was given an assignment to write a paper on "Why George Bush Is A War Criminal." Bad enough. But a student who chose to submit a paper on "Why Saddam Hussein Is A War Criminal" received a failing grade (for political incorrectness).


teacher's note: does not follow directions
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JustWonders
 
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Reply Fri 3 Dec, 2004 10:31 pm
A Left Wing Monopoly on Campuses

THE LEFT-WING takeover of American universities is an old story. In 1951, William F. Buckley Jr. created a sensation with "God and Man at Yale," which documented the socialist and atheist worldview that even then prevailed in the classrooms of the Ivy League institution he had just graduated from.

Today campus leftism is not merely prevalent. It is radical, aggressive, and deeply intolerant, as another newly minted graduate of another prominent university -- Ben Shapiro of UCLA -- shows in "Brainwashed," a recent bestseller. "Under higher education's facade of objectivity," Shapiro writes, "lies a grave and overpowering bias" -- a charge he backs up with example after freakish example of academics going to ideological extremes.

No surprise, then, that when researchers checked the voter registration of humanities and social science instructors at 19 universities, they discovered a whopping political imbalance. The results, published in The American Enterprise in 2002, made it clear that for all the talk of diversity in higher education, ideological diversity in the modern college faculty is mostly nonexistent.

So, for example, at Cornell, of the 172 faculty members whose party affiliation was recorded, 166 were liberal (Democrats or Greens) and six were conservative (Republicans or Libertarians). At Stanford the liberal-conservative ratio was 151-17. At San Diego State it was 80-11. At SUNY Binghamton, 35-1. At UCLA, 141-9. At the University of Colorado-Boulder, 116-5. Reflecting on these gross disparities, The American Enterprise's editor, Karl Zinsmeister, remarked: "Today's colleges and universities . . . do not, when it comes to political and cultural ideas, look like America.

"At about the same time, a poll of Ivy League professors commissioned by the Center for the Study of Popular Culture found that more than 80 percent of those who voted in 2000 had cast their ballots for Democrat Al Gore while just 9 percent backed Republican George W. Bush. While 64 percent said they were "liberal" or "somewhat liberal," only 6 percent described themselves as "somewhat conservative' -- and none at all as "conservative.

"And the evidence continues to mount.

The New York Times reports that a new national survey of more than 1,000 academics shows Democratic professors outnumbering Republicans by at least 7 to 1 in the humanities and social sciences. At Berkeley and Stanford, according to a separate study that included professors of engineering and the hard sciences, the ratio of Democrats to Republicans is even more lopsided: 9 to 1.

Such one-party domination of any major institution is problematic in a nation where Republicans and Democrats can be found in roughly equal numbers. In academia it is scandalous. It strangles dissent, suppresses debate, and causes minorities to be discriminated against. It is certainly antithetical to good scholarship. "Any political position that dominates an institution without dissent," writes Mark Bauerlein, an English professor at Emory and director of research at the National Endowment for the Arts, "deteriorates into smugness, complacency, and blindness. ... Groupthink is an anti-intellectual condition.

"Worse yet, it leads faculty members to abuse their authority. The American Council of Trustees and Alumni has just released the results of the first survey to measure student perceptions of faculty partisanship. The ACTA findings are striking. Of 658 students polled at the top 50 US colleges, 49 percent said professors "frequently comment on politics in class even though it has nothing to do with the course," 48 percent said some "presentations on political issues seem totally one-sided," and 46 percent said that "professors use the classroom to present their personal political views.

"Academic freedom is not only meant to protect professors; it is also supposed to ensure students' right to learn without being molested. When instructors use their classrooms to indoctrinate and propagandize, they cheat those students and betray the academic mission they are entrusted with. That should be intolerable to honest men and women of every stripe -- liberals and conservatives alike.

"If this were a survey of students reporting widespread sexual harassment," says ACTA's president, Anne Neal, "there would be an uproar." That is because universities take sexual harassment seriously. Intellectual harassment, on the other hand -- like the one-party conformity it flows from -- they ignore. Until that changes, the scandal of the campuses will only grow worse.
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Magus
 
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Reply Sat 4 Dec, 2004 03:07 pm
"Intellectual Harassment" is a serious matter.

All across the nation, the sheep are insisting that "Creationism" be taught alongside Darwinian Theory... and, if they could achieve it, the same sheep would insist that Creationism be advanced in any curricula dealing with Geology, Paleontology and Anthropology.

You see, SOME people believe that the Earth is little more than 4,000 years old... they base that belief upon the contents of the "Holy Scriptures"("Bible").
(From THEIR perspective, Geology, Paleontology and Anthropology are all frauds perpetrated by the Dark Legions of Demons who rebel against the Divine Order instituted and supported by Our Lord in Heaven...)

These same sheep would deign to lecture us about "Intellectual Harassment"...
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Sun 5 Dec, 2004 03:15 am
okay. i'm good with a creator. why not? we are here. and so are the billions of planets, and now, predicted multiple universes.

but, where as we have physical proof to substantiate the assertions of science about the development of life on earth, there is nothing physical to do the same for creationism.

whether or not god created single cell organisms that evolved into monkeys that evolved into humans or if he instead plopped the lonely adam down into the garden matters not in terms of reverence for the supreme being. i suspect that some folks just have hard time with the idea that they are decended from monkeys.
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Magus
 
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Reply Sun 5 Dec, 2004 03:51 am
SOME people actually mutilate the genitalia of their offspring... for no reason other than that THEIR parents did the same, generation after generation.

"Tradition" is a mighty force to reckon with... almost as mighty as IGNORANCE and SUPERSTITION.
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Larry434
 
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Reply Sun 5 Dec, 2004 04:30 am
"i suspect that some folks just have hard time with the idea that they are decended from monkeys"

No need for them to, because the Theory of Evolution I was taught does not so state. It states that humans and apes are descendents of a common ancestor...a split, not a continuation.
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Sun 5 Dec, 2004 04:37 am
Magus wrote:
SOME people actually mutilate the genitalia of their offspring... for no reason other than that THEIR parents did the same, generation after generation.

"Tradition" is a mighty force to reckon with... almost as mighty as IGNORANCE and SUPERSTITION.


well, for me, the problem with the way a lot of people handle "tradition" is in seeing it as a snapshot. tradition is, and always will be, a series of progressions. tradition becomes a bad thing when folks refuse to move forward and grow, but instead dig their heels in and insist that nothing good is gonna come of change.
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Sun 5 Dec, 2004 04:43 am
Larry434 wrote:
"i suspect that some folks just have hard time with the idea that they are decended from monkeys"

No need for them to, because the Theory of Evolution I was taught does not so state. It states that humans and apes are descendents of a common ancestor...a split, not a continuation.


ohhh... okay. so you believe that in spite of the creation doctrine?
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Larry434
 
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Reply Sun 5 Dec, 2004 05:01 am
DTOM. Both are theories. There are questions open on both theories, but I lean toward the evolutionary theory, whether put in motion by a divine creator or not.

But I also believe those who embrace the instantaneous creation theory are neither insane nor stupid.
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Sun 5 Dec, 2004 05:19 am
Larry434 wrote:
DTOM. Both are theories. There are questions open on both theories, but I lean toward the evolutionary theory, whether put in motion by a divine creator or not.

But I also believe those who embrace the instantaneous creation theory are neither insane nor stupid.


cool. but one theory has evidence, the other does not. it has only accounts, such as they are.

i feel like those who embrace aren't insane or stupid, but perhaps insecure.
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Larry434
 
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Reply Sun 5 Dec, 2004 05:26 am
"cool. but one theory has evidence, the other does not. it has only accounts, such as they are."

A written account is often "evidence". An affidavit, for instance.

And the Theory of Evolution keeps evolving itself, does it not, as more "evidence" supporting the theory is uncovered and analyzed.
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