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Diversity of Everything but Thought

 
 
ehBeth
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jan, 2005 10:50 am
Ahmad's email is right there in the quote, if anyone wants to follow up with him.
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JustWonders
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jan, 2005 10:54 am
I also have the professor's email address (easily found online).

I think Blatham meant he wanted "access" ...as in "content".
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jan, 2005 10:57 am
You can do everything you need to do in this world with a high school edumacation.

Everyone knows that the only thing college will do for our youth is indoctrinate them into wicked liberal philosophy and immoral behavior. That's why the red states feel it is so important to keep their kids out of these bastions of depravity. The Top Ten We Don't Need No Education states are all red, led by West Virginia, where only a little less than 16% of people age 25 or older have a Bachelor's Degree or more, followed by Arkansas, Wyoming, Oklahoma, Idaho, Mississippi, Tennessee, Kentucky, Louisiana, and Nevada.

By contrast, the Top Ten I've Got An Alma Mater states are dominated by blue states, starting with Maryland at over 37%, followed by Virginia, Massachusetts, Connecticut, New Jersey, Vermont, Minnesota, New Hampshire, and Rhode Island. Only red Colorado managed to crack this list.
http://www.oregonherald.com/n/radicalruss/20041212_red-state-moral-values.html
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jan, 2005 10:57 am
I guess even Thomas Sowell has fallen prey to the same ol' indiscretions that Foxfyre has fallen prey to. Believing the left has a lock on higher education...
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The left monopoly
Thomas Sowell

Recently Albert Hunt's last column for the Wall Street Journal mentioned how he was recruited by the late and great Robert L. Bartley, who made that newspaper's editorial page unsurpassed in quality. What made the hiring of Albert Hunt especially significant was that Bartley was a staunch conservative in the Reagan tradition, while Hunt is a standard issue liberal.

It was precisely for that reason that Bartley wanted Hunt to write for the Wall Street Journal, so that readers would be sure to get more than one side of the issues discussed.

Many years ago, when I was teaching economics at UCLA, we likewise had a staunchly conservative department. We were sometimes called the west coast branch of the University of Chicago, because so many of us had studied under Milton Friedman and other leaders of "the Chicago school" of economists.

Like Bob Bartley, we wanted our students to see more than one way of looking at economics. One young, liberal-minded economist was regarded by some as a possible permanent member of the department, to add variety.

He never really measured up to our expectations, but he was probably kept on longer than he would have been if he had been a conservative economist, because of hopes that he would turn out to be better than he did.

Even though the word "diversity" has become a mantra on the left, there is no such drive for intellectual diversity in bastions of the left, such as academia or the mainstream media.

In recent years, the liberal media have at least added some token conservatives, but our colleges and universities are content with whole departments consisting solely of people ranging from the left to the far left. In academia, "diversity" in practice too often means simply white leftists, black leftists, female leftists and Hispanic leftists.

Perhaps it was the remarkable popularity of conservative talk radio and the meteoric rise of the Fox News channel that led liberal TV networks to begin adding some conservatives to their lineups. No such competitive pressures operate in academia.

There are a few good small conservative colleges like Hillsdale or Grove City, but Ivy League schools have no conservative rivals of comparable size and prominence, and neither do most state universities.

A student can spend four years at many colleges and universities and graduate with no real awareness of any other viewpoints than those on the left.

College and university faculties do not simply happen to be leftist. Too often ideological questions are asked at faculty job interviews and ideological litmus tests are applied in hiring.

One reason for the prominence of conservative think tanks is that so many top scholars who are not leftists do not find a home in academia and go to work for think tanks instead.

Not even visiting speakers with a conservative viewpoint are tolerated on many campuses. It seems incredible that there would be fears that a one-hour lecture would undo years of indoctrination. But perhaps it is just sheer intolerance that creates hostility to anyone expressing ideas contrary to the prevailing notions of the left.

Students often report that their professors react against them for stating a viewpoint different from the prevailing orthodoxy of the left. They can be ridiculed in class discussions or given low grades on exams.

Dartmouth College has been carrying on a running battle with the conservative student newspaper, the Dartmouth Review, from the moment it was founded many years ago. On some campuses, conservative student newspapers are destroyed by leftist students or even burned publicly, with little or no effort by the college administration to maintain freedom of speech.

A student at Lewis College in Colorado was actually kicked by a professor for wearing a sweatshirt proclaiming his Republican views. This happened at a birthday party, of all places, and the professor has been quoted as saying that her only regret was that her kick was not "harder and higher."

The American Council of Trustees and Alumni, which monitors campus intolerance, is trying to get some action taken against that professor. Good luck.

source
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jan, 2005 10:59 am
Foxfyre wrote:
I wonder if the scientific studies that have been conducted showed that more than 90% of the faculty in U.S. public universities were registered Republicans and/or professed the primarily neo-conservative viewpoint, and especially if numerous students were protesting discrimination as a result of that situation, how the discussion in this thread would be going? Do you suppose the data would be so quickly pooh poohed or held in contempt?


I would expect that the sides would be exactly reversed. Do you think that you or McGentrix would meekly accept that things needed to change, or would you expect us to back up our claims with evidence?

Unverified personal accounts are not evidence.
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jan, 2005 11:01 am
McGentrix wrote:
I guess even Thomas Sowell has fallen prey to the same ol' indiscretions that Foxfyre has fallen prey to. Believing the left has a lock on higher education...


Oh good, another opinion piece.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jan, 2005 11:03 am
Foxfyre wrote:
I wonder if the scientific studies that have been conducted showed that more than 90% of the faculty in U.S. public universities were registered Republicans and/or professed the primarily neo-conservative viewpoint, and especially if numerous students were protesting discrimination as a result of that situation, how the discussion in this thread would be going? Do you suppose the data would be so quickly pooh poohed or held in contempt?


I can tell you what I'd say in that case. We need more liberal professors. End of story.
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blatham
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jan, 2005 11:03 am
bethie

Yes, I've written the fellow requesting verification data.

*****

sowell...echo, echo, echo
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jan, 2005 11:05 am
Sowell opinion piece wrote:
A student at Lewis College in Colorado was actually kicked by a professor for wearing a sweatshirt proclaiming his Republican views. This happened at a birthday party, of all places, and the professor has been quoted as saying that her only regret was that her kick was not "harder and higher."


No doubt the innocent student was simply standing around, staring at the ceiling, when this evil bitch of a left-wing professor attacked him without provocation.

Hmm... might there be two sides to this story? I wonder what that student said or did prior to the kick? I guess the prof. must have just finished reading an article on Hillary Clinton.

Rolling Eyes
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JustWonders
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jan, 2005 11:09 am
FreeDuck wrote:
Foxfyre wrote:
I wonder if the scientific studies that have been conducted showed that more than 90% of the faculty in U.S. public universities were registered Republicans and/or professed the primarily neo-conservative viewpoint, and especially if numerous students were protesting discrimination as a result of that situation, how the discussion in this thread would be going? Do you suppose the data would be so quickly pooh poohed or held in contempt?


I can tell you what I'd say in that case. We need more liberal professors. End of story.


How about professors who just TEACH, and leave their bias at home where it belongs.
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jan, 2005 11:37 am
DrewDad wrote:
Foxfyre wrote:
I wonder if the scientific studies that have been conducted showed that more than 90% of the faculty in U.S. public universities were registered Republicans and/or professed the primarily neo-conservative viewpoint, and especially if numerous students were protesting discrimination as a result of that situation, how the discussion in this thread would be going? Do you suppose the data would be so quickly pooh poohed or held in contempt?


I would expect that the sides would be exactly reversed. Do you think that you or McGentrix would meekly accept that things needed to change, or would you expect us to back up our claims with evidence?

Unverified personal accounts are not evidence.


In fact, one just wonders how many times we liberals would have been called "hysterical."
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jan, 2005 11:44 am
JustWonders wrote:
FreeDuck wrote:
Foxfyre wrote:
I wonder if the scientific studies that have been conducted showed that more than 90% of the faculty in U.S. public universities were registered Republicans and/or professed the primarily neo-conservative viewpoint, and especially if numerous students were protesting discrimination as a result of that situation, how the discussion in this thread would be going? Do you suppose the data would be so quickly pooh poohed or held in contempt?


I can tell you what I'd say in that case. We need more liberal professors. End of story.


How about professors who just TEACH, and leave their bias at home where it belongs.


That's already the majority of professors.
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JustWonders
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jan, 2005 11:46 am
Sez you Razz
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jan, 2005 11:48 am
FreeDuck wrote:
JustWonders wrote:
FreeDuck wrote:
Foxfyre wrote:
I wonder if the scientific studies that have been conducted showed that more than 90% of the faculty in U.S. public universities were registered Republicans and/or professed the primarily neo-conservative viewpoint, and especially if numerous students were protesting discrimination as a result of that situation, how the discussion in this thread would be going? Do you suppose the data would be so quickly pooh poohed or held in contempt?


I can tell you what I'd say in that case. We need more liberal professors. End of story.


How about professors who just TEACH, and leave their bias at home where it belongs.


That's already the majority of professors.


I suppose you're ready to back that opinion up with facts, right? :wink:
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jan, 2005 11:58 am
Based on the fact that there are several other curriculums besides the social sciences.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jan, 2005 12:00 pm
Quote:
I suppose you're ready to back that opinion up with facts, right?

Why start with the "facts" now? This tread has ambled along quite nicely til now with no facts whatsoever. On th eother hand MG you could start a new thread reserved for facts only (I dont think it would reach one page)
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jan, 2005 12:17 pm
McGentrix wrote:
FreeDuck wrote:
JustWonders wrote:
FreeDuck wrote:
Foxfyre wrote:
I wonder if the scientific studies that have been conducted showed that more than 90% of the faculty in U.S. public universities were registered Republicans and/or professed the primarily neo-conservative viewpoint, and especially if numerous students were protesting discrimination as a result of that situation, how the discussion in this thread would be going? Do you suppose the data would be so quickly pooh poohed or held in contempt?


I can tell you what I'd say in that case. We need more liberal professors. End of story.


How about professors who just TEACH, and leave their bias at home where it belongs.


That's already the majority of professors.


I suppose you're ready to back that opinion up with facts, right? :wink:


I can back it up. My personal experience shows me that most professors stick to teaching what they are supposed to teach and leave politics out of it.

Of course I state that back on what, page 33?

...

Nope, page 34: http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=1078157#1078157
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jan, 2005 12:25 pm
Come noe Drewdad, you can hardly expect anyone to believe your anecdotal evidence, can you? It has been demonstrated repeatedly in this thread that unless you can provide a scientific journal with at least 3 verifiable sources that your word means nothing. Who are you anyways? Some anonymous poster on a chat forum. You may not even be human. How can you actully expect anyone to believe a word you say unless you have VERIFIABLE FACTS to back you up? Hmmmmm?
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jan, 2005 12:37 pm
McGentrix wrote:
Come noe Drewdad, you can hardly expect anyone to believe your anecdotal evidence, can you? It has been demonstrated repeatedly in this thread that unless you can provide a scientific journal with at least 3 verifiable sources that your word means nothing. Who are you anyways? Some anonymous poster on a chat forum. You may not even be human. How can you actully expect anyone to believe a word you say unless you have VERIFIABLE FACTS to back you up? Hmmmmm?


That was rather my point, McG. Glad to see you got it. Rolling Eyes
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jan, 2005 12:52 pm
Here are Thomas Sowell's credentials that can be verified by virtually any academic source you choose to use.

Now if it comes to opinions of most posting in this thread (including mine) or his opinion, which do you think might carry the most credible weight re accuracy of observations on U.S. campuses?

And as a matter of personal curiosity, is an opinion never credible, no matter how informed it might be? Can we never figure we know anything that has not been tested in several scientific studies conducted by scientists funded by no source whatsoever and who have never been noted to have any personal convictions re their study subject and are published only in journals with no discernible bias? And who studies those conducting the study to determine their lack of bias? This can get rather ridiculous if you just stop and think about it a bit.

THOMAS SOWELL
ADDRESS: The Hoover Institution
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(650) 723-3303

PERSONAL: U.S. Citizen, born June 30, 1930

EDUCATION:
Ph.D. in Economics, University of Chicago, 1968
A.M. in Economics, Columbia University, 1959
A.B. in Economics, magna cum laude, Harvard College, 1958

EXPERIENCE:
Senior Fellow, Hoover Institution, Stanford University, September 1980 - present
Professor of Economics, U.C.L.A., July 1974 - June 1980
Visiting Professor of Economics, Amherst College, September- December 1977
Fellow, Hoover Institution, Stanford University, April- August 1977
Fellow, Center for Advanced Study in the Behavioral Sciences, July 1976 - March 1977
Project Director, The Urban Institute, August 1972 - July 1974
Associate Professor of Economics, U.C.L.A., September 1970 - June 1972
Associate Professor of Economics, Brandeis University, September 1969 - June 1970
Assistant Professor of Economics, Cornell University, September 1965 - June 1969
Economic Analyst, American Telephone & TelegraphCo., June 1964 - August 1965
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Affirmative Action Around the World (Yale University Press, 2004)
The Quest for Cosmic Justice (Free Press,1999)
Conquests and Cultures (Basic Books, 1998)
Migrations and Cultures (Basic Books, 1996)
The Vision of the Anointed (Basic Books, 1995)
Race and Culture: A World View ( Basic Books,1994 )
A Conflict of Visions (William Morrow, 1987)
Ethnic America (Basic Books, 1981)
Knowedge and Decisions (Basic Books, 1980)
Classical Economics Reconsidered (Princeton University Press, 1974)
Say's Law: An Historical Analysis (Princeton Univ.Press, 1972)
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