The Ultimate Mass Murderer

I still fail to see the link between the EPA's regulatory policy and malaria deaths outside the U.S. (and hence outside of the EPA's jurisdiction). But you keep citing the 90 million figure without addressing this critical short-coming in your argument--that's intellectually irresponsible and dishonest.

Cut and run, or face the music.

DDT use has virtually disappeared. Many countries blindly followed the U.S. ban or succumbed to activist pressure. Activists recently succeeded in pushing a virtual world-wide ban in the form of a United Nations' treaty signed by the Bush administration, but not yet ratified by the Senate. The Persistent Organic Pollutants (POPs) treaty would permit DDT use only through expensive bureaucratic processes designed to dissuade rather than encourage use.

Steppenwolf wrote:

I still fail to see the link between the EPA's regulatory policy and malaria deaths outside the U.S. (and hence outside of the EPA's jurisdiction). But you keep citing the 90 million figure without addressing this critical short-coming in your argument--that's intellectually irresponsible and dishonest.

Cut and run, or face the music.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,55843,00.html

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DDT use has virtually disappeared. Many countries blindly followed the U.S. ban or succumbed to activist pressure. Activists recently succeeded in pushing a virtual world-wide ban in the form of a United Nations' treaty signed by the Bush administration, but not yet ratified by the Senate. The Persistent Organic Pollutants (POPs) treaty would permit DDT use only through expensive bureaucratic processes designed to dissuade rather than encourage use.

Article also totally destroys arguments involving eggshell thinning amongst raptors, amongst other things.

The Dewitt experiments used collected eggs Studies i England in the 70s through the 90s have actually measured thhe thinning of a number of bird shells blah, blah, blah........

Activists blamed DDT for the disappearance of great birds such as the bald eagle and peregrine falcon. Supposedly, the insecticide harmed bird reproduction by thinning egg shells.

But the bald eagle and peregrine falcon were hunted to near extinction decades before DDT was first used in the U.S.

Many human and environmental stressors can contribute to thin egg shells. Laboratory experiments purporting to link DDT with egg shell thinning involved massive doses of the chemical, far in excess of what occurred in the wild.

Moreover, bald eagle and falcon populations were already rebounding during the peak years of DDT use - thanks to laws limiting their hunting.

This thread joins the many initiated by Gun-snake which idolize death and violence...

and recalls to mind the line uttered by Jeff Goldblum in "Jurassic Park":

"What a pile of... "

This thread joins the many initiated by Gun-snake which idolize death and violence...

and recalls to mind the line uttered by Jeff Goldblum in "Jurassic Park":

"What a pile of... "

Magus wrote:

This thread joins the many initiated by Gun-snake which idolize death and violence...

and recalls to mind the line uttered by Jeff Goldblum in "Jurassic Park":

"What a pile of... "

Gee, Magus, "your continual classical references never cease to amaze me. I stand in awe of your erudition."

Now that we have had a glib and irrelevant remark from Magus ... this thread of Gungas' is now complete.

Ticomaya wrote:

Magus wrote:

This thread joins the many initiated by Gun-snake which idolize death and violence...

and recalls to mind the line uttered by Jeff Goldblum in "Jurassic Park":

"What a pile of... "

Gee, Magus, "your continual classical references never cease to amaze me. I stand in awe of your erudition."

Now that we have had a glib and irrelevant remark from Magus ... this thread of Gungas' is now complete.

Apparently not, but I wish it were.

I'm not "idolizing death and violence". I'm merely pointing out the fact that idiot yuppie leftist pseudoscientists managed to kill ninety million people in a single perverted beaurocratic move.

But one close look a TASSC's record will show a different picture. TASSC officials have regularly criticised highly-recognised and perfectly legitimate studies ranging from the quality of drinking water to the safety of baby food. TASSC claims that these adverse health reports are based on dubious science and are employing scare tactics to drum up financial support -- but they don't reveal where their own funding support comes from. In fact, it comes from Phillip Morris and other major US organisations with pollution and health problems.

Like all good public relations, the strength of the message being sold depends to a very large degree on the credibility of the organisation. Credibility is best promoted by merging genuine and fake claims, with the legitimate information blended carefully with the skillfully-crafted backlash material. When credibility has been established though a list of reputable scientists acting as advisors, it steadily becomes easier to make a claim of "junk-science" stick.

This is Milloy's particular skill. He is the best in the PR profession at blending legitimate criticism of bad science (and there's plenty around) with illegitimate criticism of science that is against his clients financial interests.

TASSC's scientists/members lend their names to the organisation on the basis that it's mission is purely one of advancing good scientific practice. They do so in the belief that TASSC is closely associated with government and environmental groups. Of course, that's not the whole story, but most of the scientists don't know that. Nor do the media, who are equally gullible.