@Finn dAbuzz,
Quote:There are groups who wish to take advantage of the generosity of America.
Are they the norm in terms of immigration? No, but you don't seem to be able to acknowledge that there is anything to be criticized if it can be attached to a "liberal" label.
My main point here is that groups that are started, managed and supported by Americans are American. This is true whether this group is La Raza, or the NRA. I have no trouble saying that these groups are equally American in spite of the fact that I agree with one politically much of the time and disagree with the other most of the time.
They are both American groups. My main point in this discussion is that demonizing people, ideas, and cultural practices as "non-American" bothers me. The presupposition here is that there is a group of Americans who judge who belongs and who doesn't belong (legal citizenship be damned).
Quote: No, but you don't seem to be able to acknowledge that there is anything to be criticized if it can be attached to a "liberal" label.
This is awfully close to ad hominem. And it is demonstrably wrong. Would you like a list of areas where I disagree with liberals? (this list would include GMOs and political correctness/free speech... and I have mixed feelings about religious liberty where I have to concede that religious conservatives have a point).