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David Horowitz: Democrats are the party of hate

 
 
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Mon 8 May, 2017 09:31 am
@maxdancona,
Resolving the issue hasn't been my goal, but of course I agree that all American citizens have equal rights, and as far as I'm concerned they can call themselves whatever they want, but I have the right to condemn White Supremacists, Latin Supremacists, and Estonian Supremacists without acceding to the notion that one is worse than the others. Like wise I have the right to expect people coming to this country to do so legally and for my government to stop those who try to enter illegally and evict those that get in.
tibbleinparadise
 
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Mon 8 May, 2017 09:43 am
I guess I must be really lucky in my neck of the woods. We have a huge Latino population here, 35-40%. Once or twice a year there is a big Spanish Culture thing and, oddly enough, it is incredibly well attended by non-latinos. Most of my neighbors are Latino. We have Latino police, teachers, doctors, politicians, etc. I don't see a lot or hear a lot about cultural tensions. I think a big reason for this is they've all sorted out how to retain cultural elements that are important while still being proud US citizens. Around here, if you call somebody a "Mexican" it's an insult. They are happy and proud to be here where they enjoy the freedom.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Mon 8 May, 2017 09:56 am
@tibbleinparadise,
The same is true in my neck of the woods.

As I'm sure you are aware, being against illegal immigration is not being against Mexicans or Americans of Mexican heritage.

McGentrix
 
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Mon 8 May, 2017 10:01 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:

Resolving the issue hasn't been my goal, but of course I agree that all American citizens have equal rights, and as far as I'm concerned they can call themselves whatever they want, but I have the right to condemn White Supremacists, Latin Supremacists, and Estonian Supremacists without acceding to the notion that one is worse than the others. Like wise I have the right to expect people coming to this country to do so legally and for my government to stop those who try to enter illegally and evict those that get in.


That is perfectly stated Finn. This also describes how I feel on this subject.
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maxdancona
 
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Mon 8 May, 2017 10:01 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Yes Finn,

You have every right to insist that the NRA is a White Supremacist group. And if you google "NRA White Supremacist" you will come up with a raft of websites with quotes (taken out of context), connections to people who have said the word "White". If you read those websites, you might come up with the conclusion that the NRA is out to ensure that the White race would dominate all other races.

Of course, you could go to the NRA website and see if they say anything in support of White Supremacy there (I just checked, they don't).

But this is a free country, and if someone who wants to condemn the NRA as White Supremacists can do so. I think it is in bad taste, and worse than that it makes any intelligent civil discussion impossible.

In my opinion, any connection to terms like "Nazi" or "White Supremacist" or "Latin Supremacist" should be use very sparingly for the groups that themselves say they are out to dominate other races. And you find this out by looking at the NRA's own website and seeing their programs and policies... not by looking at websites that have the specific goal of discrediting them.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Mon 8 May, 2017 10:03 am
@maxdancona,
I guess you didn't want to resolve the issue.
maxdancona
 
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Mon 8 May, 2017 10:07 am
@tibbleinparadise,
I am curious Tibble. What do the majority of your Latino neighbors feel about immigration enforcement? If you tell me where you live, I could probably look for polling data.

I don't know what you mean by "cultural tensions" and how you would hear about them. Do you have contact with people outside your own political group? I spend a lot of time with the Latino American community. There is a pretty big frustration on the immigration issue in the majority of this community.
maxdancona
 
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Mon 8 May, 2017 10:11 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
The issue is that I feel that there is a strawman... you were demonizing a political group as a "Supremacist" group when that is not the case. And you seem to have doubled down.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Mon 8 May, 2017 10:21 am
@maxdancona,
I don't know the NCLR to be a supremacist group and I'm not claiming they are however I have witnessed La Raza marches in Seattle and LA, and the people in them were advocating banishment of gringos from the land stolen from Mexico by "White Americans" Are you going to tell me that I didn't see what I saw?

The NCLR may be everything you say it is but it clearly advocates a position that illegal immigrants should be given equal rights as citizens and amnesty. This isn't racist, but I'm still opposed to it.

Also can you imagine what would be made of a generally conservative organization that had "The race" in it's name?
layman
 
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Mon 8 May, 2017 10:41 am
If I decided that I liked the climate, the economic situation, and other aspects of Spain, and moved there, that would not make me a Spaniard. I would remain a U.S. citizen and my loyalties and allegiance would still be with my own country, not Spain.

The many millions of non-citizen immigrants, both legal and illegal, residing in this country are no different. They always have been, and remain, citizens of a foreign country (Mexico, for example). Their national loyalties are owed to their own country, not the USA.
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layman
 
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Mon 8 May, 2017 10:58 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:

There is a difference between being inclusive and being suckers


Bingo.
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layman
 
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Mon 8 May, 2017 11:19 am
A few facts about La Raza, courtesy of Michelle Malkin;

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Here are 15 things you should know about “The Race”:

15. “The Race” supports driver’s licenses for illegal aliens.

14.”The Race” demands in-state tuition discounts for illegal alien students that are not available to law-abiding U.S. citizens and law-abiding legal immigrants.

13. “The Race” vehemently opposes cooperative immigration enforcement efforts between local, state, and federal authorities.

12. “The Race” opposes a secure fence on the southern border.

11. “The Race” joined the American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee in a failed lawsuit attempt to prevent the feds from entering immigration information into a key national crime database — and to prevent local police officers from accessing the data.

10. “The Race” opposed the state of Oklahoma’s tough immigration-enforcement-first laws, which cut off welfare to illegal aliens, put teeth in employer sanctions, and strengthened local-federal cooperation and information sharing.

9. “The Race” joined other open-borders, anti-assimilationists and sued to prevent Proposition 227, California’s bilingual education reform ballot initiative, from becoming law.

8. “The Race” bitterly protested common-sense voter ID provisions as an “absolute disgrace.”

7. “The Race” has consistently opposed post-9/11 national security measures at every turn.

6. Former “Race” president Raul Yzaguirre, Hillary Clinton’s Hispanic outreach adviser, said this: “U.S. English is to Hispanics as the Ku Klux Klan is to blacks.” He was referring to U.S. English, the nation’s oldest, largest citizens’ action group dedicated to preserving the unifying role of the English language in the United States. “The Race” also pioneered Orwellian open-borders Newspeak and advised the Mexican government on how to lobby for illegal alien amnesty while avoiding the terms “illegal” and “amnesty.”

5. “The Race” gives mainstream cover to a poisonous subset of ideological satellites, led by Movimiento Estudiantil Chicano de Aztlan, or Chicano Student Movement of Aztlan (MEChA). The late GOP Rep. Charlie Norwood rightly characterized the organization as “a radical racist group . . . one of the most anti-American groups in the country, which has permeated U.S. campuses since the 1960s, and continues its push to carve a racist nation out of the American West.”

4. “The Race” is currently leading a smear campaign against staunch immigration-enforcement leaders and has called for TV and cable news networks to keep immigration enforcement proponents off the airwaves — in addition to pushing for Fairness Doctrine policies to shut up their foes. The New York Times reported that current “Race” president Janet Murguia believes “hate speech” should “not be tolerated, even if such censorship were a violation of First Amendment rights.”

3. “The Race” sponsors militant ethnic nationalist charter schools subsidized by your public tax dollars (at least $8 million in federal education grants). The schools include Aztlan Academy in Tucson, Ariz., the Mexicayotl Academy in Nogales, Ariz., Academia Cesar Chavez Charter School in St. Paul, Minn., and La Academia Semillas del Pueblo in Los Angeles, whose principal inveighed: “We don’t want to drink from a White water fountain, we have our own wells and our natural reservoirs and our way of collecting rain in our aqueducts. We don’t need a White water fountain . . . ultimately the White way, the American way, the neo liberal, capitalist way of life will eventually lead to our own destruction.”

2. “The Race” has perfected the art of the PC shakedown at taxpayer expense, pushing relentlessly to lower home-loan standards for Hispanic borrowers, reaping millions in federal “mortgage counseling” grants, seeking special multimillion-dollar earmarks, and partnering with banks that do business with illegal aliens.

1. “The Race” thrives on ethnic supremacy — and the elite sheeple’s unwillingness to call it what it is. As historian Victor Davis Hanson observes: “[The] organization’s very nomenclature ‘The National Council of La Raza’ is hate speech to the core. Despite all the contortions of the group, Raza (as its Latin cognate suggests) reflects the meaning of ‘race’ in Spanish, not ‘the people’ — and that’s precisely why we don’t hear of something like ‘The National Council of the People,’ which would not confer the buzz notion of ethnic, racial and tribal chauvinism.


http://www.nationalreview.com/article/224980/la-raza-facts-michelle-malkin

They're racist and make no bones about it. They appeal solely to those wishing to promote their "race."
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tibbleinparadise
 
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Mon 8 May, 2017 11:25 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Of course.

I do wish the immigration process was less convoluted and less expensive. Our government​ isn't just super great at simple and affordable though.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Mon 8 May, 2017 11:27 am
@tibbleinparadise,
I agree completely.

I have friends who have waited years and spent tens of thousands of dollars to just get a Green Card. It's absurd. This is where reform is needed and not in dealing with illegals who make all of my friends look like chumps.
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tibbleinparadise
 
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Mon 8 May, 2017 11:28 am
@maxdancona,
The majority of my friends and associates are pretty liberal, I was the only one who didn't vote for Sanders or Hillary if that says anything. The Latinos that I know are disgusted with the whole immigration mess, but very much support legal immigration.. they just wish the process was easier and didn't take years and years.
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maxdancona
 
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Mon 8 May, 2017 11:37 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Let's separate the political differences from the mudslinging. Americans are pretty divided over the immigration issue. Clearly you and I disagree. But I can make my point without these irrelevant alurs against Americans on the other side.

It is interesting for me. This is the first time in my political life that I have been arguing for state's rights. Smile

I loved layman's post. I thought about replying with 15 facts about the NRA from Michael Moore, but his movie is better.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Mon 8 May, 2017 11:59 am
@maxdancona,
What slurs are you talking about?
layman
 
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Mon 8 May, 2017 12:11 pm
@maxdancona,
maxdancona wrote:

I can make my point without these irrelevant alurs against Americans on the other side.


Max, why do you pretend that Mexican citizens are "American?" You seem to think that the second a Mexican illegally steps over the US/Mexico border, he suddenly becomes an "American."

La Raza and their ilk are not here to "assimilate." They are here to accomplish the "re-conquest" of "stolen" Mexican land from the filthy anglo-saxon invaders. Not militarily, of course, but through seditious infiltration of American culture and American soil. They are here to supplant american culture, not to join, promote, or in any way enhance it.

The president of the California senate is of Mexican heritage and claims that it would be wrong to attempt to stamp out the huge market for fake ID's because "half his family is illegal." The Mayor of Los Angeles is a radical mexican activist. The population of Los Angeles is now comprised of a majority of people with Mexican heritage, millions of whom are citizens of Mexico.

They are winning, with the full corroboration of naive "liberals," like you.
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layman
 
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Mon 8 May, 2017 12:27 pm
Quote:
U.S. soccer team booed in their own country as Mexican fans turn LA into an 'away' game

If the U.S. soccer team were hoping for the home advantage during Saturday's Gold Cup final then they were in for a nasty surprise.

Despite being the 'home' side in California's Rose Bowl stadium, the majority of fans - most of them American born of naturalized Mexicans - booed and jeered the U.S. team....the entire post match ceremony was conducted in Spanish.

Speaking to the LA Times, Mexican supporter Victor Sanchez said: "...I didn't have a choice to come here, I was born in Mexico, and that is where my heart will always be.'


Long after the game finished Mexico supporters remained, bouncing up and down as they chanted and cheered for their team. The American's were not even spared in the trophy ceremony after Mexico's 4-2 win - booed for one final time as they were announced as runners up.

The game came after it emerged this week ethnic minorities now make up the majority of babies in the United States.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2008444/Only-America-U-S-soccer-team-booed-Mexico--California.html
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layman
 
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Mon 8 May, 2017 02:16 pm
This kinda says it all, eh?

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The American's were not even spared in the trophy ceremony after Mexico's 4-2 win - booed for one final time as they were announced as runners up.


Booed for coming in second? That tell ya anything about their "love" for the USA, eh, Max?

This might give you a little insight too, if you ever even paused to reflect on it:

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. Former “Race” president Raul Yzaguirre, Hillary Clinton’s Hispanic outreach adviser, said this: “U.S. English is to Hispanics as the Ku Klux Klan is to blacks.”


They hate the english language (and everything else "english") as much as blacks hate the klan, they claim, eh?

Assimilation? Yeah, right.

Quote:
Hillary Clinton’s Hispanic outreach adviser


Hispanic outreach? Translation: selling out America for votes.
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