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David Horowitz: Democrats are the party of hate

 
 
tibbleinparadise
 
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Fri 5 May, 2017 11:38 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
I'm ON the right and I agree more with Max on this one. I know plenty of liberals, gays, and various ethnic groups and all are generally embarrassed by the fringe, just like I'm embarrassed by the fringe on the right. There are a whole mess of people that live in the middle (politically) and don't really hate anybody and just enjoy want to enjoy life. The problem is, those folks are boring and make for ratings on the news so we don't ever get to see them.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Fri 5 May, 2017 11:47 am
@tibbleinparadise,
Not to be snide but...good for you.

This great swathe of people in the middle, also don't get very involved to control the excesses of the right or left, and those who are left of center didn't find it at all excessive that HRC called at least 25% of America "deplorable"


maxdancona
 
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Fri 5 May, 2017 12:20 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
I have not run into anyone on Facebook who considers Antifa to be heroic. I do not participate in Comments sections of WaPo or anything else. Nor do I think of either of these as a representative sample of America as a whole.

I acknowledge that my opinion of Breitbart is subjective, but I consider them and the worldview they represent to be particularly troubling. They are pushing White nationalism which defines what it means to be American in a very narrow way (i.e. European and Protestant pro-Israel Jewish).

White nationalists are behind a recent upsurge of assaults on people and on public property.

There is a spectrum of beliefs from fairly mainstream to extreme. Breitbart has been at the core of attacking Islam, and Immigrants, and same-sex marriage and liberalism. They are taking beliefs that I find to be quite troubling and pushing them into the mainstream.

There is no doubt that there is an upsurge of White Nationalist violence. In my opinion, the world view being pushed by Breitbart is behind this trend. The fact that this world view is also part of the rhetoric from the Trump White House is particularly troubling to me.

As I said, I am more politically active now than I have ever been. I have been talking in person with elected officials and speaking at town halls to get Massachusetts to become a Sanctuary State.

Most of us are resisting Trump in a very positive way. We are pushing elected officials, participating in peaceful protests. We are speaking out and writing.

That doesn't mean that we don't find Trump deeply disturbing and a threat to the open, free and just America we believe in.



maxdancona
 
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Fri 5 May, 2017 12:26 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
I would like to ask you directly Finn, Do you find the White Nationalist rhetoric from Trump supporters to be troubling at all?

And to answer the counter question... yes, there is rhetoric from the left that I find to be troubling, and I speak out about it. The difference is that you didn't see it represented so blatantly in the White House.


Setanta
 
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Fri 5 May, 2017 12:29 pm
The irony of something like this being posted by Gunga Dim is just killer.

I guess the right-wingers have forgotten the hysteria and accusations of a socialist takeover which circulated around here after Mr. Obama was elected, and before he even took office.

Pot, meet Kettle.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Fri 5 May, 2017 12:34 pm
@maxdancona,
Whatever one thinks of Breitbart, it's silly to think it informs mainstream America.

This isn't to say that it cannot be perceived as dangerous, because history tends to be directed from the extremes. However, until you can directly link it to acts of violence it's not comparable to the Atifa and other violent "resistance" movements.

What you view as "White Nationalism" is largely working class white people feeling as if they have been cast as the enemy and undeserving of governmental concern. Whether or not this is the case, it doesn't mean those who perceive it to be true want supremacy.


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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Fri 5 May, 2017 12:39 pm
@maxdancona,
Any notions of racial supremacy should be rejected.

I don't believe, though, that White Supremacy is the backbone of the Trump "movement."

It is this belief that leads to rationalizing Antifa thuggery.

maxdancona
 
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Fri 5 May, 2017 12:59 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
I said "White Nationalism". You changed it to "White Supremacy". They aren't the same thing.

As I understanding it, there is an anger that pushed Trump into office. White people in states like Pennsylvania and Michigan are losing jobs. They are blaming it on immigrants, and Black people. The narrative is that immigrants are stealing jobs and committing crimes. And, that black people are getting special treatment that aren't available to White people.

The reality doesn't match this narrative, but facts don't matter. What matter is that these White people are hurting in a way that they weren't hurting 50 years ago, and they need someone to blame it on. Immigrants and Black people are perfectly good people to blame it on.

The narrative is "Immigrants and Black people and Homosexuals are getting special treatment and we White people are getting left behind." This isn't White Supremacy. It is White Nationalism.

The problem is that it isn't based on facts. By any objective measure, White people are still better off in any economic measure than any other ethnic group.

But that is the narrative. And now it is shaping the policy in the Trump White House.
tibbleinparadise
 
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Fri 5 May, 2017 01:08 pm
@maxdancona,
And the narrative makes for much better "news". The wild popularity of "reality" television proves that there are a lot of folks that love extreme dramatics over actual reality. The "news" is no different. Scroll through any major news outlet and most articles are overly dramatic OpEd pieces at best.


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layman
 
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Fri 5 May, 2017 01:19 pm
@hightor,
hightor wrote:

Seem to be a lot in Berkeley maybe a few hundred? — and smaller numbers in university towns. Now, if it were really "the Democrats" doing this we'd have a significant problem.


As has been pointed out to you before, Hi, and which you predictably ignore, it's not the number of Soros-funded thugs that's the real issue here.

Up and down the line, there has been (with a few exceptions, such as Bill Maher) a total failure to condemn these free-speech-hating brownshirts. The typical reaction is an attempt to excuse, if not fully justify, these actions in the way Howard Dean did. They disingenuously attack Milo and Coulter as fascist white supremacists, and characterize their words as "hate speech."

Basically, the suggestion is that they deserve what they got, and that beating people and destroying property is the only "righteous" response to such "extremists."

Get real, eh?
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layman
 
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Fri 5 May, 2017 01:46 pm
Probably some who have commented here haven't even looked at the article cited in the OP.

As noted there, Horowitz was a radical communist as a younger man. He attended Berkeley and founded the radical "underground" magazine "Rampants" in the Bay area as younger man. It helped him see the truth about the extreme left-wing, and it's not easy to admit that you were wrong about something you commited your entire being to for many years.

Berkeley loved him then. Now they won't even let their own alumni on campus if they don't share their views Conservative writer David Horowitz, founder of the David Horowitz Freedom Center, has been banned from CNN and his own alma mater, the University of California, Berkeley. His new book is his latest venture in calling out the Left for some of their extreme protests and policies.

Quote:
"Trump turns to the television audience and he said, 'You have to understand, Hillary has tremendous hatred in her heart,' and what he was referring to was the basket of deplorables, what she called the irredeemable," he said.

"She named them racist, sexist, homophobes, Islamaphobes, Xenophobes, and accused Trump of raising these people up. All those names are designed to drum you out of the human race basically," Horowitz says.

"There isn't a conservative within earshot of my voice now who has not been in an argument with a so-called liberal or Democrat over policy or anything, who hasn't been called a racist, a sexist, a homophobe or Islamaphobe," he says.

"It's not just Berkeley, but almost all major colleges, one party states, safe places for leftists ideas. They purge conservatives from their faculty and purge conservative books from their required reading list," he said.

He adds that he cannot even go to a campus without bodyguards because of the danger some of these campuses pose.

"This is an American fascism, is what it is," he said.


This is exactly the policy advocated by Herbert Marcuse, who had a great influence among radicals and who came to be called "the father of the new left," back in the 1960's. Prior to that, Marcuse had been a prominent member of the so-called "Frankfort school" of radical communists, back in the 1930's. He insisted that "free speech" was a bad idea, and advocated the censorship of any speech/ideas that did not support the leftist agenda. His disciples took his advice to heard.

There's a 5 minute video posted at that site, where this guy, who has been on both sides of the fence, explains his conclusions. Worth listening to if you have any real desire to understand the issues at stake.
maxdancona
 
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Fri 5 May, 2017 01:58 pm
@layman,
So you are saying that Horowitz was a radical extremist on both sides.

... are you claiming that this gives him credibility?

I am not the first person to point out that the extremists on the left don't look very different from the extremists on the right.
layman
 
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Fri 5 May, 2017 02:00 pm
@maxdancona,
There is nothing about Horowitz's current conservative views that is in any way "extreme," Max. Why would you attempt to assert or suggest otherwise?
maxdancona
 
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Fri 5 May, 2017 02:10 pm
@layman,
What you consider to be extreme is subjective. In my view, Horowitz has extreme views on ethnicity and culture.

That being said, I think that Horowitz has a point about campus censorship and political correctness. However, I think that Horowitz greatly exaggerates his case and relies far to often on incendiary anecdotes to make his case rather than on data. Like many people, he relies on making arguments based on an emotional narrative rather than on evidence. He then cherry picks single instance to back up his emotional based appeal. Yes (if you must ask) there are people on the left who do the same thing.

I consider him extreme. This is my subjective opinion. You are free to have a different opinion.
gungasnake
 
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Fri 5 May, 2017 02:15 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
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Any notions of racial supremacy should be rejected.


That's correct.

Funny thing about racism though... Christianity obviously cannot serve as a basis for racism; but evolutionism can. If you actually believe that humans evolved from hominids, then it is very easy to claim that Germans evolved from one group of hominids, Irish from another, Democrats from another, Negroes from another... and sit around and argue questions of superiority and inferiority all day long until the cows come home. Hence the correct claim that evolutionism is not just bullshit, but DANGEROUS bullshit. The good news is that as things presently stand, evolution is being defended only by academic dead wood such as the two or three losers who you see defending it on this forum.
maxdancona
 
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Fri 5 May, 2017 02:18 pm
@gungasnake,
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Christianity obviously cannot serve as a basis for racism


lol
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layman
 
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Fri 5 May, 2017 02:23 pm
@maxdancona,
maxdancona wrote:

What you consider to be extreme is subjective...I consider him extreme.


Heh, Max. Well, aint that special, eh? The ipse dixit approach to providing evidence, eh?

I have a feeling that anyone to the right of Joseph Stalin would be a "right-wing extremist" in your "subjective opinion," eh?
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gungasnake
 
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Fri 5 May, 2017 02:23 pm
@maxdancona,
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As I understanding it, there is an anger that pushed Trump into office. White people in states like Pennsylvania and Michigan are losing jobs. They are blaming it on immigrants, and Black people.


That is a pretty sorry excuse for understanding. The people who voted Donald Trump into office are simply smarter than that (and smarter than YOU)... They blame the loss of jobs on criminally incompetent politicians signing wretched and destructive trade deals, and on greentard Malthusians passing destructive environmental regulations and attempting to shut down every energy initiative which ever comes down the road in America, other than for ill thought out and hopelessly inadequate "GREEN(TM)" energy policies to which they are related via nepotism and crony capitalistic connections.

Meaningful issues in the 2016 election in something like order of importance:

The peace and safety of the world (Putin had told his military that if Hildabeast won the election, they were basically at war) while Justin Raimondo at antiwar dot com had endorsed Trump due to Trump's long-time adversity to frivolous use of the US military.

The collapse of the Wall St./London banking and monetary system. Donald Trump was the only person in the picture with both the guts and the resources to take on the bankers. Bankers in fact fear DT enough to have had 54 private jets parked at an offshore resort for a stop-Trump-at-any-cost meeting:
https://www.google.com/search?client=opera&q=54+private+jets+georgia+resort+trump&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

Immigration (Hilda, George, and Bork Obunga want a total end to borders and mass importation of what they view as democrat voting blocks, the cost to the nation be damned).

Gangsterism ( Clinton Foundation, pay2play, Clinton body count, murders, rape allegations... http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3426438/posts?page=25#25 )

Treaties and trade deals, returning meaningful industry to the United States.

Racism/victimology ( Soros/BLM, orchestrated riots...)

All of those issues (other issues in the election are relatively minor) strongly mitigated in favor of Donald Trump and against the Hildabeast.

Americans are used to gangsterism and racism; what NOBODY is used to or has ever seen before is nuclear or thermonuclear war and hydrogen bombs going off, that would be a new experience for everybody. Hilda had stated that her first priority on taking office would be to kill Bashir Al Assad and that would have started WW-III.

The ONLY rational reason there was for voting for the Hildeabeast would have been that you are worried about dying of cancer, old age or some other mundane cause, and wasnted to go out in a blaze of glory in some sort of a nuclear holocaust in which the whole human race goes out at the same time.

We had a God-given shot at electing a president who would put Wall St. into an absolute zero-leverage situation and we took it; had we blown that chance and particularly if we had blown it for any sort of an asinine reason, it would not recur in the lifetime of anybody alive today.

But the main question is all the asshole snowflakes crying because they've just been saved from a nuclear war and holocaust. That is just ******* hard for rational/normal people to understand...



layman
 
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Fri 5 May, 2017 02:40 pm
@maxdancona,
maxdancona wrote:

I think that Horowitz greatly exaggerates his case and relies far to often on incendiary anecdotes to make his case rather than on data. Like many people, he relies on making arguments based on an emotional narrative rather than on evidence. He then cherry picks single instance to back up his emotional based appeal.


Nice try, cheese-eater. A "single instance," eh? Although there are millions of appalling anecdotes that can be told, there's no real need for that. Statistical facts tell the story.

Quote:
Liberal professors outnumber conservatives nearly 12 to 1, study finds

A new study confirms what even the most casual observer of higher education has long known — that conservative professors are vastly outnumbered by liberal ones — but it also shows that the problem is getting worse.

Published in Econ Journal Watch last month, the study looks at faculty voter registration at 40 leading universities and finds that, out of 7,243 professors, Democrats outnumber Republicans 3,623 to 314, or by a ratio of 11 1/2 to 1. History is by far the least conservative-friendly department, where liberals outnumber conservatives by a 33 1/2-to-1 ratio.

The disparity is highest at the most prestigious universities, the study finds. A pair of Ivy League universities, Columbia and Princeton, both weigh in at 30 to 1.

Kim R. Holmes, a distinguished fellow at The Heritage Foundation, said the ascendance of multiculturalism in the humanities makes it difficult for conservatives to find work teaching.

“If you’re going to have a Gender Studies Department, or something like that, the progressive assumptions are built into the very idea of the department, so you’re not going to hire any conservative professors,” said Mr. Holmes, who is the author of “The Closing of the Liberal Mind.” “Because of this, the imbalance has proliferated.”

But Mr. Holmes said increasing intellectual homogeneity in academia does not bode well for the health of the American republic, pointing to the Founders’ belief in the necessity of a virtuous and well-educated citizenry.

“If the culture at large neither cares about morality anymore and, on top of that, the education is being cheapened, it’s no longer about trying to teach people to think critically but about trying to indoctrinate them to a certain point of view,” Mr. Holmes said. “The American public over time is going to decline in the ability to be self-governing, and, ultimately, that’s a threat to democracy.”


http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/oct/6/liberal-professors-outnumber-conservatives-12-1/

Hardly a "single instance," eh? There is no way in hell that these kinds of ratios could happen by "random accident." The "progressives" who control these faculties simply will not hire more than a few "token" conservatives, and even then almost exclusively in the "hard science" departments (math, physics, chemistry, etc.) where "social values" are never dicussed.

Do you ALWAYS just make up your "facts" as you go, Max?
maxdancona
 
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Fri 5 May, 2017 02:46 pm
@gungasnake,
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Americans are used to gangsterism and racism; what NOBODY is used to or has ever seen before is nuclear or thermonuclear war and hydrogen bombs going off, that would be a new experience for everybody. Hilda had stated that her first priority on taking office would be to kill Bashir Al Assad and that would have started WW-III.

The ONLY rational reason there was for voting for the Hildeabeast would have been that you are worried about dying of cancer, old age or some other mundane cause, and wasnted to go out in a blaze of glory in some sort of a nuclear holocaust in which the whole human race goes out at the same time.


I love you Gunga! This is simply awesome!

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