David Horowitz: Democrats are the party of hate

I don't know that they do.

Presuming for the sake of the argument that they do, I would suspect that it was only certain black kids (those trapped in inner city poverty) who are more violent than other kids.

I would credit that inner city poverty with causing a much higher crime rate, and credit that higher crime rate as being responsible for the increased violence.

So Oralloy, I want to figure out if our disagreement on this issue is disagreement about facts, rather than a difference in moral values.

Hypothetically speaking (of course) Let's say that I could give you irrefutable evidence that many of the Black kids being shot were actually innocent of any violent crime or intent... and that innocent Black kids are far more likely to be shot than their White counterparts.

If this were the case, and these facts were shown to be incontrovertibly true, would you then change your mind? Would you be outraged if you were shown facts that convinced you that innocent Black kids were being killed at a far greater rate than innocent White kids?

I am willing to answer the opposite question. If there are incontrovertible facts shown to me that Black kids are equally likely to be shot as White kids given the same circumstances... then I would absolutely change my mind based on the facts and agree that the racial uproar was unjustified.

Of course this is a hypothetical exercise, facts that are incontrovertible to both sides seem to be hard to find.

But this is a valuable exercise. It would be comforting to know that in spite our disagreement on facts, that we at least have the same basic moral values.

Given that many innocent black kids are trapped in inner city poverty, where the crime and violence rate is higher than normal, I am not surprised to hear that a greater number of innocent black kids are killed.

But I think these innocent kids tend to be killed by criminals, not by police officers or by citizens defending themselves from attack.

I believe that reducing and eliminating inner city poverty will reduce the crime rates in these areas. I also believe that this is the only thing that will reduce crime rates in these areas. And I support efforts to do that.

I am not sure that I feel "outrage" over these deaths. Outrage is a pretty strong emotion. But I do support what I believe are the only policies that will reduce the deaths.

Since I do not think these deaths have anything to do with the police or with self defense cases, I have difficulty relating them back to your original point about police shootings.

But if I believed that there were a large number of cases of police shooting innocent people (regardless of skin color), I would be outraged and want measures taken to stop it from happening anymore.

I am aware of cases where police have mistakenly shot innocent people. But those cases tend to be pretty rare. And usually the police department pays large compensation to the family.

I am aware of one single case where the police mistakenly shot an innocent person, and then they they covered it up and blamed the victim so they could avoid paying compensation. But that victim was a white person.

Yeah, Max, and that's exactly your problem. You are a total cultural relativist, with no independent, objective sense of right/wrong; good/bad; healthy/sick; etc., whatsoever.

It would be "judgmental" to condemn muslims for throwing homosexuals off of 10-story buildings, and being judgmental is just plain WRONG!!!!

Well, unless you're judging yourself, your own country, and your own culture to be BAD. Then being "judgmental" is fine; in fact it's the moral obligation of any self-loathing cheese-eater. You must condemn yourself, but never others.

You display all the earmarks of the prototypical cheese-eater, sho nuff.

Maybe for the brief space of time between 1700 and around 1940 or thereabouts....

Prior to that time and the development of workable black powder weapons and armies trained in their use, Europe had been subjected to centuries worth of invasion by Turks, Mongols, Huns, Avars, Magyars etc. along with islammic invasion, conquest, and slave raids up and down European coast lines which finally reached a point at which Thomas Jefferson had to declare war against north African states to protect US shipping and commerce. The one miracle in the picture, the Christianization of the Magyars, was essentially nullified militarily by the crushing invasion of Mongol armies under Batui and Subudai who should have been under orders to find and annihilate Mecca and Medina.

I-slam is a system of conquest, either by outright war or by subterfuge and demographics. Any sort of "multiculturalism(TM)" which includes them is a suicide pact for everybody else in the picture.

I-slam in the news...

http://www.independentsentinel.com/watch-case-fgm-test-case-sharia-usa/

http://readflicks.com/shock-aussies-say-theyre-leaving-muslim-neighborhoods-protect-daughters/

Oralloy, you didn't answer my question. I want to know if you and I share the same moral values. You answered about how you disagree with me on the facts. I already know you disagree with me about the facts. So please, answer my question about morality.

If it were a fact that Black kids were being shot and killed significantly more than White kids even when they were in the same environment doing the same things, would you agree that that was a big problem?

Again, this is a question about moral values.

https://clarionproject.org/toronto-pds-muslim-chaplain-wives-must-be-available-sex/#.WQi-THIJ6G9.facebook

BI Report: Officers ‘De-Policing’ Due to Anti-Cop Hostility

The “Ferguson Effect” is real and making communities less safe…

“The FBI has released a report which studied last year’s cop-killing sprees and found that police officers nationwide are “de-policing” and more hesitant to do their jobs in the post-Ferguson America, according to The Washington Times.

Because of what has been called the “Ferguson Effect,” both departments and individual officers have stopped “engaging in proactive policing,” the FBI report, “Assailant Study - Mindsets and Behaviors,” states.

Since the shooting of Michael Brown in 2014, the rise of the Black Lives Matter movement, and the subsequent social justice riots over perceived police brutality, the report found these events “made it socially acceptable to challenge and discredit the actions of law enforcement.”

The study looked at 50 incidents of officers killed in the line of duty in 2016. While most suspects shot at officers to avoid custody, nearly 30% said they simply wanted to shoot a cop… “


http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/fbi-report-officers-de-policing-due-anti-cop-hostility

http://truthuncensored.net/gone-viral-dearborn-michigan-mess-video/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJddaIrVoaY

http://www.usatrustnews.com/2017/05/04/antifa-chick-goes-to-turkey-with-muslim-loverboy-gets-raped-and-beaten/

Finn, I hope you realize that my posts on this thread are really directed to you. Layman has graciously agreed to act as my foil (and of course Gunga continues to be wonderful).

The point is that there is no conservative here that will call out other conservatives for being extreme, illogical or making ad hominems.

I am quite proud of having stood up to liberals, of course on feminism, but also on religious freedom and on political correctness. I am willing to disagree with liberals and even to challenge them when I feel they are being illogical or extreme.

Of course conservatives will always stand up to liberals, and liberals will always stand up to conservatives. It is people who have the critical thinking skills, honesty and the courage to challenge their own political side that make intelligent discussion possible.

I really wish that there were a conservative who could fill this void. It is not for me to say (because as a liberal I am not in a position to judge which thread is crossing the line, although this seems to me that it might be a good one). It would be nice to see a conservative with independent thought... any thread would be fine.

http://smithssite.com/2017/05/04/half-worlds-muslims-inbred-due-generations-incest/

Half of all muslims substantially inbred, average IQ in Somalia 68:



Pakistani "rat people" (more inbreeding grief):
https://www.google.com/search?client=opera&q=pakistaqn+rat+people&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8



The basic problem, muslims view Muhammed as the perfect man to be emulated in all things, including the fact that his collection of wives, concubines, porcupines etc. included several of his own first cousins...



Vendrami Neanderthal reconstruction:

My reaction: YOU want to be "multicultural(TM)" with THAT ****?? Fine, just don't do it in my country...

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/04/27/migrants-less-integrated-norway/

the longer they stay, the less integrated/assimilated they become...

If you "stand up" to a fellow liberal here, you're not doing me any favor.

I've disagreed with conservatives in this forum, but I don't feel it's my job to police the content of "conservative" members. They get plenty of feedback from liberals.

The nonsense gunga just posted is clearly that and not worth any additional comment.