Okay, Dems, What Went Wrong? And How Can We Fix It?

"While we cannot measure the Response rate by actual Kerry and Bush voters, hypothetical response rates of 56% among Kerry voters and 50% among Bush voters overall would account for the entire Within Precinct Error that we observed in 2004."

This, apparently, is the basis for their statement in the Executive Summary(p.4), that states "It is difficult to pinpoint precisely the reasons, in general, that Kerry voters were more likely to participate in exit polls than Bush voters.

No data in the E/M report supports the hypothesis that Kerry voters were more likely than Bush voters to cooperate with pollsters, and, in fact, the data provided by E/M actually suggests the opposite might be true.

I guess Lola will feel confirmed in her views, but I think he, too, thinks too much about marketing and too little about the product marketed.

Thomas wrote:

I guess Lola will feel confirmed in her views, but I think he, too, thinks too much about marketing and too little about the product marketed.

Well, yes Thomas, I do feel confirmed. But I think the product should be good as well, not because that will win elections, but for ethical and moral reasons. It is after all the values I share with the Democrats I want marketed. In my opinion, the Democrats have a better product. It's the expertise of the marketing and the commitment to pursue excellence in marketing that has been so lacking. Democrats need to get smart and do it really fast. I'm seeing encouraging signs this early. I don't know how long it will take, but we better get a move on.

What was the GOP's share of votes as a percentage of-

1-All Americans and
2-Americans eligible to vote.

I have read the Utah report, Cyc. I suggest you research the backgrounds of its principals. At the very least, the panel's objectivity might by some be considered a matter of dispute. I read it as a partisan attempt to resuscitate an already interred, maggot-infested dead horse. Some folks just can't - or don't want to - accept reality.

"Moderately shitty" is a term I occasionally use when I wish to concede a fault or excess, make light of it, and avoid dwelling on it - all at once.

It isn't nearly as colorful as "pedantic thrum", a phrase which I will soon find an opportunity to use against Lola.

Lola wrote:

Thomas wrote:

I guess Lola will feel confirmed in her views, but I think he, too, thinks too much about marketing and too little about the product marketed.

Well, yes Thomas, I do feel confirmed. But I think the product should be good as well, not because that will win elections, but for ethical and moral reasons. It is after all the values I share with the Democrats I want marketed. In my opinion, the Democrats have a better product. It's the expertise of the marketing and the commitment to pursue excellence in marketing that has been so lacking. Democrats need to get smart and do it really fast. I'm seeing encouraging signs this early. I don't know how long it will take, but we better get a move on.

So, if Republican policies are inferior to those of the Democrats, and yet are more widely accepted, it is a matter of marketing? What follows from this is that marketing trumps substance. Therefore, if Democratic policies are to triumph through improved marketing, we are to assume it was really their inherent superiority?

This is the mantra of losers: Our product is really better than our competitors, but they are better marketers. Consumers can't possibly determine what is the superior product without being driven by marketing.

At some point the makers of broccoli flavored cola will come to realize that marketing cannot work miracles.

Finn d'Abuzz wrote:

So, if Republican policies are inferior to those of the Democrats, and yet are more widely accepted, it is a matter of marketing? What follows from this is that marketing trumps substance. Therefore, if Democratic policies are to triumph through improved marketing, we are to assume it was really their inherent superiority?

This is the mantra of losers: Our product is really better than our competitors, but they are better marketers. Consumers can't possibly determine what is the superior product without being driven by marketing.

At some point the makers of broccoli flavored cola will come to realize that marketing cannot work miracles.

Hi there Finn.......I'm going to give you a little time to catch up and then you can re-phrase that question so that it makes sense.