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Okay, Dems, What Went Wrong? And How Can We Fix It?

 
 
dyslexia
 
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Reply Mon 11 Apr, 2005 01:14 pm
anyone read the 2005 Economic Report to the President? Interesting data:
going back to 1960 we find
1. Federal spending aka "big governrment" has averaged an increase of about $50 billion per year- but by party has been $35 billion pre year under Dem presidents compared to $60 billion under Repubs.
2. Fed revenues aka taxes, republians do cut taxes (actually fed revenues go up under both parties but only about half as fast under Repubs.
3. Spending, interesting note here, spending goes up faster under Repubs than under Dems also the economy grows faster under Dems than Repubs
4. fed deficit. going again back as far as 1960 the deficit has averaged $131 billion per year under Repubs but only $30 billion per year under Dems.
5. GNP from 1960 to 2005 (in 2000 dollars) rose average of $165 billion pre year under Rep Presidents and $212 billion per year under Dems.
6. Inflation with a Dem average of 3.13 vs 3.89 for repubs
7. unemployment. dem presidents show 5.33 percent while repubs show 6.38 percent.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Mon 11 Apr, 2005 01:21 pm
Naturally, Dys, the obvious thing for Dems to do is be more like Republicans, right?

Right.

Cycloptichorn
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Tue 12 Apr, 2005 12:17 pm
http://www.filibustercartoons.com/comics/20050204.gif
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Tue 12 Apr, 2005 01:10 pm
so fox any response to what I posted above re the 2005 economic report to the president?
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Lash
 
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Reply Tue 12 Apr, 2005 01:19 pm
War is expensive...?
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Tue 12 Apr, 2005 03:23 pm
the data above represents 45 years, with and without war.
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JustWonders
 
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Reply Tue 12 Apr, 2005 04:09 pm
The nation is happier and calmer under a conservative administration, as opposed to the loony left Smile

Of course, if you are an unhappy, bitter loony-lefter, you should do something about it. Not just whine, complain, weep and gnash on a message board.

Just a helpful suggestion Smile
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Tue 12 Apr, 2005 04:14 pm
By the way Lash and JW, welcome back. I've missed you both even if Lash almost never checks her e-mail. Smile
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Tue 12 Apr, 2005 05:13 pm
JustWonders wrote:
The nation is happier and calmer under a conservative administration, as opposed to the loony left Smile

Of course, if you are an unhappy, bitter loony-lefter, you should do something about it. Not just whine, complain, weep and gnash on a message board.

Just a helpful suggestion Smile


When you don't have anything to say, don't say anything.
Just a helpful suggestion Smile
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 12 Apr, 2005 05:18 pm
Quote:
The nation is happier and calmer under a conservative administration, as opposed to the loony left


Who is loony, exactly?

www.pollingreport.com

http://www.pollingreport.com/clinton-.htm

http://www.pollingreport.com/BushJob.htm

And this, after the data that Dys posted above showing just how much more productive our society has been under Dem leadership?

I'd like to seriously hear you address these opinions of yours instead of just trying(failing) to be funny.

Cycloptichorn
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Ethel2
 
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Reply Tue 12 Apr, 2005 05:20 pm
Lash wrote:
War is expensive...?


LOL.....talk about gullible.
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Ethel2
 
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Reply Tue 12 Apr, 2005 05:23 pm
JustWonders wrote:
The nation is happier and calmer under a conservative administration, as opposed to the loony left Smile

Of course, if you are an unhappy, bitter loony-lefter, you should do something about it. Not just whine, complain, weep and gnash on a message board.

Just a helpful suggestion Smile


I and a huge number of Democrats like me are sending money and we're very well organized at a grass roots level. And Howard Dean is one of the major motivators and designers, thus the negative cartoons, attempting to satarize him.

Watch things change. Laughing
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Lash
 
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Reply Tue 12 Apr, 2005 05:24 pm
Lola wrote:
Lash wrote:
War is expensive...?


LOL.....talk about gullible.

LOL! Talk about humorless...
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Ethel2
 
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Reply Tue 12 Apr, 2005 05:29 pm
Interesting poll results, Cyclo
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Ethel2
 
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Reply Tue 12 Apr, 2005 05:31 pm
Lash wrote:
Lola wrote:
Lash wrote:
War is expensive...?


LOL.....talk about gullible.

LOL! Talk about humorless...


Am NOT!

(now you say, "ARE TOO!!!!")

and we can go on from there. :wink:
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JustWonders
 
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Reply Tue 12 Apr, 2005 05:32 pm
Foxfyre wrote:
By the way Lash and JW, welcome back. I've missed you both even if Lash almost never checks her e-mail. Smile


Thanks, Foxy Smile
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JustWonders
 
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Reply Tue 12 Apr, 2005 05:52 pm
Lola wrote:
JustWonders wrote:
The nation is happier and calmer under a conservative administration, as opposed to the loony left Smile

Of course, if you are an unhappy, bitter loony-lefter, you should do something about it. Not just whine, complain, weep and gnash on a message board.

Just a helpful suggestion Smile


I and a huge number of Democrats like me are sending money and we're very well organized at a grass roots level. And Howard Dean is one of the major motivators and designers, thus the negative cartoons, attempting to satarize him.

Watch things change. Laughing


We're on to you Smile

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1400082382/ref%3Dnosim/nationalreviewon/104-0184904-3927166
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JustWonders
 
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Reply Tue 12 Apr, 2005 05:53 pm
dyslexia wrote:
JustWonders wrote:
The nation is happier and calmer under a conservative administration, as opposed to the loony left Smile

Of course, if you are an unhappy, bitter loony-lefter, you should do something about it. Not just whine, complain, weep and gnash on a message board.

Just a helpful suggestion Smile


When you don't have anything to say, don't say anything.
Just a helpful suggestion Smile


Or you'll call in your pansy-tag team? ... Again? LOL
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JustWonders
 
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Reply Tue 12 Apr, 2005 06:04 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Quote:
The nation is happier and calmer under a conservative administration, as opposed to the loony left


Who is loony, exactly?

www.pollingreport.com

http://www.pollingreport.com/clinton-.htm

http://www.pollingreport.com/BushJob.htm

And this, after the data that Dys posted above showing just how much more productive our society has been under Dem leadership?

I'd like to seriously hear you address these opinions of yours instead of just trying(failing) to be funny.

Cycloptichorn


Cyclops - if you want to talk numbers, let's talk hard numbers.
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"In any case, when you're talking political numbers, you should remember that some numbers are harder than others. And the hardest numbers in politics are election results. Most journalists and politicians don't spend much time looking at them. They should. Because the 2004 presidential election results tell us that Republicans are in even stronger shape than their 55-45 and 232-203 Senate and House margins suggest.

 Start with the Senate. George W. Bush carried 31 states that elect 62 senators. There are nine Republican senators from Kerry states and 16 Democratic senators from Bush states. Many of these are from states that were close in the presidential election. But there are 11 Democrats and only three Republicans from states where their presidential nominee got less than 47 percent of the vote. There are more Democrats with political incentives to vote with Bush than there are Republicans with incentives to vote against him.

 As for the House, we now know which presidential candidate carried each of the 435 congressional districts, thanks to Polidata, which crunched the numbers for National Journal and the Almanac of American Politics (of which I am co-author). These numbers surprised even some political pros. Bush carried 255 districts and John Kerry only 180. In all, 41 Democrats represent Bush districts and 18 Republicans represent Kerry districts. Eliminating the districts where the House member's presidential candidate won 47 percent or more, we find only five Republicans in strong Kerry districts but 30 Democrats in strong Bush districts.

 Why did Bush carry 59 percent of the districts while winning 51 percent of the popular vote? One reason is that winners usually carry a disproportionate share of districts. Another is gerrymandering, which favored Republicans this cycle. One more is the Voting Rights Act, which encourages concentrations of blacks and Hispanics in a few districts that Democrats usually carry heavily, while losing adjacent seats.

The implications? In the long run, Republicans are well positioned to increase their numbers in both the Senate and the House. Some Democrats hold seats because of personal popularity or moderate voting records. But when they retire, Republicans may well succeed them. In the short run, very few Republicans run great political risks by supporting Bush. Significantly more Democrats run great political risks by opposing him. Obstruction doesn't work well for Democrats in Bush seats: Just ask former Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle. And at the moment, on Social Security, as Democrats Stan Greenberg and James Carville wrote last month, "Voters are looking for reform, change and new ideas, but Democrats seem stuck in concrete."

Of course, the 2004 election figures are not etched in stone. The balance between the parties can change. But it hasn't changed much since 1996, and recent movement has been toward Republicans. Or so the hard numbers say. "

Source
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Ethel2
 
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Reply Tue 12 Apr, 2005 06:48 pm
That's right JW. The election results will only work for you for so long. Eventually there's another election and 08 is not far away.

Keep falling back on your old techniques and watch while you lose the grip.
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