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Bush supporters' aftermath thread

 
 
Lash
 
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Reply Sat 11 Jun, 2005 05:40 pm
kelticwizard wrote:
I never saw that term until a couple of days ago here on A2K.

Now people are using it as if it is UNDERSTOOD to be the new hot term.

Try expanding your horizons outside the right wing blogs, Lash. There's a whole beautiful world out there.

Just like a good Democrat. Confident and wrong in knee jerk assumption.

<nods>

I have never read a right wing, left wing or otherwise wing blog. I don't enjoy the style of writing. I get enough slant in the MSM... I can understand why some may read them for entertainment value.

The term is widely used.

Acting as though JW is flaunting a new toy reveals that you are just not up to date.

Why don't you stop stereotyping and assuming, and gather a few facts?

Oh yeah. Democrat...
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JustWonders
 
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Reply Sat 11 Jun, 2005 05:52 pm
The MSM is getting a whopping 24% confidence vote these days...no wonder people are turning more and more to the blogosphere for news. Like anything else, some are better than others.

I found a hilarious article this morning that I meant to post on the SCOTUS/Marijuana thread. Okay, it's a lefty blog, but funny is funny Smile

<Oops...is SCOTUS code used by right-wing bloggers?>
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Lash
 
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Reply Sat 11 Jun, 2005 06:08 pm
I don't know, but what's important is it is 6 letters!!!!!

ROFLMAO!!!!!!

(7)
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JustWonders
 
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Reply Sun 12 Jun, 2005 12:41 pm
http://www.nationalreview.com/hanson/hanson200506100747.asp

Another must read by VDH.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Sun 12 Jun, 2005 01:39 pm
Is VDH considered part of the MSM?
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Lash
 
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Reply Sun 12 Jun, 2005 01:54 pm
I don't know, but some of my best work has been disappeared.

<shakes head, wistfully recalls my 4-lettered acronym...>
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JustWonders
 
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Reply Sun 12 Jun, 2005 02:21 pm
SNAFUBAR

Heh.
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kelticwizard
 
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Reply Sun 12 Jun, 2005 08:26 pm
Lash wrote:

I have never read a right wing, left wing or otherwise wing blog.

Sorry, but we have only your word for that.

Lash wrote:
I don't enjoy the style of writing.

Apparently you do, because you are using a term only found there.


Lash wrote:
I get enough slant in the MSM...

And do your thinking in the WC....



Lash wrote:
The term is widely used.

Widely used among right wing bloggers and their fans. Not widely used or understood anywhere else.


Lash wrote:
Acting as though JW is flaunting a new toy reveals that you are just not up to date.

Or, more likely, that JW is flaunting a new toy.


Lash wrote:
Why don't you stop stereotyping and assuming, and gather a few facts?

The fact is that nobody talks about "the MSM" except right wing bloggers and their fans.

Lash wrote:
Oh yeah. Democrat...

I wouldn't have it any other way. I'd hate to be one of those who go around babbling gibberish like "the MSM" and pretending that all the In People know what it means.
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Lash
 
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Reply Sun 12 Jun, 2005 09:01 pm
That's just weird.

Acronyms usually don't have that affect on people.

Will someone volunteer to teach keltic current slang?

This issue if having a FUBAR affect on him.
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fishin
 
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Reply Sun 12 Jun, 2005 09:05 pm
kelticwizard wrote:
Lash wrote:
I don't enjoy the style of writing.

Apparently you do, because you are using a term only found there.



A term "only found there"???

Only if you count the Wall Street Journal as a "right-wing" blog. Or is it The New Yorker Magazine that is a right-wing blog??? Or is it the New York Times?

Apparently the term is found in more places than you thought. If you had bothered to do a search of A2K for the term you would find that it's been used numerous times here over the last 6 months and one of the first people to post anything using it was nimh - hardly steadfast right-winger by anyone's measure.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Sun 12 Jun, 2005 10:02 pm
Yes, it is a widely used and widely understood abbreviation.
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kelticwizard
 
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Reply Sun 12 Jun, 2005 10:22 pm
fishin' wrote:
A term "only found there"???

There and among the denizens of it's immediate ideological environment. Like Lash and Just Wonders, for instance.

[quote="fishin'"Only if you count the Wall Street Journal as a "right-wing" blog. [/quote]
A) The Opinion Journal is very right leaning, and is in ideological harmony with the right wing blogs. Moreover, Peggy Noonan is a very conservative writer whose opinions find much ageement among the blogs. She too is a denizen of the ideological environs of the blogs. Yes, she is a recognized member of the journalistic establishment, has published best selling books and her articles are seen in more or less normal newspapers. But ideologically, she is a heroine of the right wing blog world.

Moreover, the article was about Dan Rather and the false papers about Bush's National Guard service. Noonan was praising the blogs. It would not be hard to see how, if she praises them, she would adopt their jargon. That hardly means the population at large has adopted it, or even knows what it means.


fishin' wrote:
Or is it The New Yorker Magazine that is a right-wing blog???

Huh????

I went to your link, read the article and did a CTRL_F search. Nowhere in that article does the acronym "MSM" appear.

fishin' wrote:
Or is it the New York Times?


The article is about the blogworld. It even gives a translation of "MSM" for normal people!

Here's the quote.
NY Times wrote:

Editorial Observer; The Latest Rumbling in the Blogosphere: Questions About Ethics

By ADAM COHEN (NYT) Editorial 968 words
Late Edition - Final , Section 4 , Page 11 , Column 1

DISPLAYING FIRST 50 OF 968 WORDS - Bloggers like to demonize the MSM (that's Mainstream Media), but it is increasingly hard to think of the largest news blogs as being outside the mainstream.


If "MSM" had general acceptance, the NY Times article would not have to give the reader a translation now, would it. Sheesh. Rolling Eyes

fishin' wrote:
Apparently the term is found in more places than you thought.


Your own quotes demonstrate quite clearly it is not. Unless you want to count super-conservative Peggy Noonan as proving anything. She's super conservative, most blogs are super conservative-what a surprise that Blogspeak makes it's way into her columns.
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kelticwizard
 
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Reply Sun 12 Jun, 2005 10:26 pm
Foxfyre wrote:
Yes, it is a widely used and widely understood abbreviation.

Then why is the New York Times giving translations of it in it's article on blogs?

It's widely understood all right-understood to everyone in the right wing blog world. To the rest of us, it's unknown.
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JustWonders
 
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Reply Sun 12 Jun, 2005 10:28 pm
Laughing. Every day it becomes a bit more clear why the Dems lost SmileSmileSmile
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kelticwizard
 
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Reply Sun 12 Jun, 2005 10:40 pm
As usual, a valueless, content-free post from Just Wonders which adds little to the subject at hand.
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tommrr
 
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Reply Sun 12 Jun, 2005 11:17 pm
It seems kind of strange that my 16 year old daughter, who has never read a blog in her life, knows what MSM is. She showed me 3 of her teen magazines that it used in articles, and I am quite sure none of them are right wing mags. First time I saw it used was in the Sacramento Bee, which is about as far left of a newspaper you can get.
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kelticwizard
 
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Reply Sun 12 Jun, 2005 11:36 pm
Wait a minute.

I thought teen magazines were those things you see on newstands with covers full of pictures of teenage singers or TV stars, etc. and had names like Teen Beat and Teen Life.

What chance would an acronym for mainstream media have to find it's way into one of those things?
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tommrr
 
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Reply Sun 12 Jun, 2005 11:48 pm
By teen magazines, I was refering to Teen People, Seventeen and ones like those. I will get the exact list for you in the morning. Believe it or not, they have actual articles and interviews, and even once in awhile, even talk about current events, and use some of the lingo that goes with it.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 12 Jun, 2005 11:51 pm
<When I saw MSM first, I misread it as MSN. Then I did an online serch, found things like an "American feminist magazine", "Mechanically separated meat", "Men who have sex with men", "Methylsulfonylmethane" .... and am glad, to have got the answer now here.>
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tommrr
 
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Reply Sun 12 Jun, 2005 11:52 pm
But the point wasn't the teen mags, but the fact that a 16 year old, who only pays enough attention to current affairs to make sure it won't change her immediate world, knew what the term was. You may be correct in assuming it got it's start in the blogs, but it is quite a bit more mainstream than you might like to admit.
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