I can understand why anyone smart enough to know how the Kinkade "paintings" are produced and wouldn't plunk down the hugh retail price to own one. They are produced for under $100.00 framed and his signature isn't worth more than $25.00. That studio of artists can crank them out by the thousands. Caveat emptor.
Redline isn't much different, selling his Disneyesque landscapes in commercial photo-offset lithographs (posters, basically) for as much as $500.00, costing about $10.00 to run off. They are charming and as beguiling as over-sweetened cake.
There are now so many look-alikes to Kinkade that the crassness of the marketing has lifted its ugly head. Decorative junk art will always be marketable.
What does this have to do with Bush? Same kind of marketing involved only there's growing buyer's remorse out there. Maybe as bad as finding out one has been duped paying $2,000.00 for a Kinkade when its intrinsic value is less than $200.00.
Thanks for the explanation, but it still doesn't fit me. I only have one copy hanging on the wall...
...and while it may not be worth even $200, I wouldn't sell it to you for $2,000 (My favorite Russian painted it... and did a damn fine job if you ask me.)
One "copy" hanging on the wall. You mean it's a Xerox?
A Russian painting? What's the artist's name?
(You know I know that's BS if you could find some fool to pay $2,000. for a replaceable cheap print -- put it on E Bay and see if there's any bidders).
She copied the it with paint and brushes on canvas, LW. If you're familiar with Picasso's "weeping woman", you just paid her one hell of a compliment. :wink: Oh, and I'm not at liberty to disclose my friend's name.
You're very confusing -- I actually read that you thought this was a Russian artist when I knew it was Picasso's "Weeping Woman." Just testing and I commend you for your art knowledge.
That you wouldn't sell it for $2,000.00 for sentimental reasons is no comparison to producing a product for $100.00 and duping people into thinking they are buying something actually worth $2,000.00 isn't reprehensible. Try going into the galleries and having some shark salesperson attempt to roll you. The simile persists in regard to this administration. It's your tax dollar so feel free not to scrutinize just how the polticians on both sides are spending it. Like I said, caveat emptor.
BTW, that appears to be a good copy as I didn't AB it to the real thing (hard to tell at an angle). A really good copy by a trained artist is actually worth between $500.00 to $1,000.00 and perhaps even more. That is, as long as it's represented as a copy and not passed off as the original. It doesn't appear she's signed it. The new process of Repligraphy actuall can reproduce a painting including the brush strokes (the depth of paint on the medium) by computer scanning and printing. They are available on the Web including works by new artists as well as those museums have allowed to be reproduced by the technology.
And maybe some of us don't put a $ amount on the art we like. I have an enormous abstract painting hanging over my bed - I never heard of the artist and didn't pay a dime for it--a colleague gave it to me when he was cleaning out his office. I just love the darn thing. On the other hand I wouldn't pay 2 cents for a painting by some artists who are supposed to command tens of thousands for their work.
As an aside, when I was still working claims, I had a liability claim on a couple of water damaged "paintings' which consisted of two 4 x 6 panels covered with very pale yellow rice paper and a black squibble zig zagging down each side. Any kindergartener would have been more imaginative. The artist demanded $4800 apiece for them as that was his asking price. I had them appraised and we finally settled for a few hundred. I sold them as salvage for $10 apiece.
Art definitely is in the eye of the beholder and we can learn a lot about politics as well from how we handle our tastes in art.
Sounds like an interesting technology, LW. Like I said before; $500-$1,000 won't buy you this copy... and I don't think anyone's passing off fakes of works valued in the millions. That one fetched $40,000,000 Francs last time it was auctioned. Your "print" numbers don't reflect that there's many kinds of prints either. One "print" of this painting once sold for over a million dollars. :wink:
Asking price, Foxfyre? If he actually could show he sold works similar to it for $4800., he may have a leg to stand on. An appraiser will research what the work is selling for, they don't appraise out of thin air. Obviously, the artist wasn't being truthful. Yet, you may have stumbled on yet another marketing scheme by some commercial gallery and in that case, there's a good chance it's as overmarked as Kinkades. the same appraiser would appraise a Kinkade at only $200.00. I know, 'cause people have actually paid an appraiser over $300.00 to find out their cheaply reproduced, dabbled with paint by elves, "limited edition" was worth less than the appraisal cost. I actually warned them. There is more than one class action suit and many individual suits against Kinkade.
OB, if you can find out how much the artist will sell you such copies and you can sell them on E Bay or by other means for $2,000 and actually make a profit, perhaps you can quit your job. The answer to that is probably you can't sell it for $2,000. and would be lucky to get $200.00 so relax. There's little to no temptation there to get greedy.
I say I hired an appraiser and I'm getting a lecture on what an appraiser does. Art, fine jewelry, and in transit losses were my specialty LW until they decided I needed to work workers compensation. The art, fine jewelry, and in transit was a lot more fun.
Apparantly by your accessment of one claim and its significance you need a lecture on what an appraiser does. Let me wonder why they decided to put you onto workmans compensation.
Because it was the most lucrative division of the company and they didn't have anybody else who could do it. WOrk comp claims were filed every day. UPS lost boxes of diamonds only occasionally. (But they sure were fun to work.
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We must be speaking different languages today, LW. My copy isn't for sale. :wink:
Lost UPS boxes of diamonds? I'm confused -- either you have many years of experience with the appraisal of fine art or your don't. We've gone over this material before and it's become deja vu.
Well, OB, if you can't get more of them, you can't. That makes the statement that you wouldn't sell the copy for $2,000. pointless.
I am not an appraiser. I did work as a claims investigator/adjuster for a number of years and, in that capacity, had to know who the best appraisers were. There are very good ones locally who have their areas of expertisel Sometimes I would have to fly one in from another state. You have to know something about it to know who to hire, and you have to know why and how they do what they do to make a case to the insurance company. And I think I know what I know and can do better than somebody who never met me knows what I know and what I can do. And because I have a pretty good eye, I guess, and an appreciation for that kind of stuff, I got pretty good at it.
But the in transit losses were still the most fun.
Insurance companies and the IRS will accept an appraisal from an accredited appraiser with credentials such as the National Society of Appraisers. That's true that I don't know your experience is but that one example does not make a rule. If the loss were a Kinkade or any of the commercial published artist, one would have a rude awakening as to the real instrinsic value.
