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Bush supporters' aftermath thread

 
 
Foxfyre
 
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Reply Tue 25 Jan, 2005 12:42 pm
I fail to see where anybody said that Dys. Perhaps you could point it out.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 25 Jan, 2005 12:43 pm
re Foxfyre's quotation "Declining Dollar OK for Now", John Crudele 'anlyses' in today's New York Post:
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But the odds are only that close because of something we Americans should be proud of: even with all those problems, foreigners still think their money is safer here than anywhere else. And they are willing to accept less of a return for that peace of mind.


Those clever foreigners :wink:

full opinion
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Tue 25 Jan, 2005 12:49 pm
LOL Walter. It is inevitable interest rates will rise as they have been so ridiculously low for so long now, all to the benefit of those buying homes, cars, and other things and no problem to those who invest their cash as the market has more than compensated for low interest rates.

I have had my ear to the ground for murmers from economists I trust, however, and none, including Greenspan, seem to think a drastic rise in interest rates is in our near future.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Tue 25 Jan, 2005 12:49 pm
Foxfyre wrote:


At the same time, I believe there are many family members, friends, and patriotic Americans who think it wrong that we invaded Iraq, but now that we are there want the matter ended finally, as quickly as possible, and with the best possible outcome. Those people do 'support the troops' with no political motivation whatsoever.

I think that the best possible world is one in which we (americans) get the hell out of Iraq, pay them our debts and take care of ourselves. From your statement above I can only assume that I am not "patriotic"
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Tue 25 Jan, 2005 12:56 pm
Sorry you see it that way Dys. If you think about the context however, I didn't say or imply that. The discussion is whether a sticker saying "support the troops' is political or not. That in no way refers to isolationist or other similar political views which would be a separate discussion.
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Tue 25 Jan, 2005 12:58 pm
FreeDuck wrote:
Sorry to butt in here, folks, but I was just thinking about this today. I would like to be patriotic and supportive of our troops. However, I am firmly morally opposed to their actions. I mean them no harm, but I don't support their efforts. I won't put a ribbon on my car or my house. I had thought before that it was possible to support the troops but not support the war, now I think maybe not. Is it?


Shocked I wonder if there was a single politician in the last election, Republican or Democrat, that didn't say the words "I support our troops". In fact, liberal Democrats tend to put the words "Of course" before the statement.

It flat out amazing to me that anyone wouldn't know the troops fighting in Iraq were mostly signed up before the war and had no choice in whether we went to war and most certainly didn't choose if we would go to war. Brave men and woman sign up to defend their nation and from that day forward they do as their told. Not doing so, with few exceptions, is a violation of law. Anyone who thinks people who volunteer to defend their country don't deserve the support of those they signed up to defend is showing an appalling lack of appreciation. Rolling Eyes
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Tue 25 Jan, 2005 01:01 pm
Dys, wash the dust out of your eyes ... you're misreading.
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Tue 25 Jan, 2005 01:13 pm
OCCOM BILL wrote:
This is political:

http://www.buttonstore.com/support.our.troops/freedom1.gif


This is political:

http://home.earthlink.net/~topicalbuttons/Supporttroops.jpg

This is political:

http://www.buttonstore.com/support.our.troops/iraqi1200.gif

This isn't:

http://www.buttonstore.com/support.our.troops/SOTAF1.gif


i agree bill. GASP !?!?!?!
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Tue 25 Jan, 2005 01:18 pm
dyslexia wrote:
So we are back to the "if you don't support the war you are not a patriot" crapola.


i didn't take it that way this time, dys.

but, the sentiment does seem to be one that has come up during every conflict in my lifetime.

as does, "america. love it or leave it".
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Tue 25 Jan, 2005 01:27 pm
Well I certainly think any American can be both patriotic and in opposition to the war. I don't think anyone can be patriotic and hold their country in utter contempt. I haven't seen Dys as the latter, and I see many of you as the former. Lord knows true patriots will speak out when they see that something is wrong or done badly. But those of us who support the war for many reasons stated throughout the political forum are not necessarily "America love it or leave it" people either. I personally am a "I love America and let's fix it" person myself.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Tue 25 Jan, 2005 01:39 pm
OCCOM BILL wrote:
FreeDuck wrote:
Sorry to butt in here, folks, but I was just thinking about this today. I would like to be patriotic and supportive of our troops. However, I am firmly morally opposed to their actions. I mean them no harm, but I don't support their efforts. I won't put a ribbon on my car or my house. I had thought before that it was possible to support the troops but not support the war, now I think maybe not. Is it?


Shocked I wonder if there was a single politician in the last election, Republican or Democrat, that didn't say the words "I support our troops". In fact, liberal Democrats tend to put the words "Of course" before the statement.

It flat out amazing to me that anyone wouldn't know the troops fighting in Iraq were mostly signed up before the war and had no choice in whether we went to war and most certainly didn't choose if we would go to war. Brave men and woman sign up to defend their nation and from that day forward they do as their told. Not doing so, with few exceptions, is a violation of law. Anyone who thinks people who volunteer to defend their country don't deserve the support of those they signed up to defend is showing an appalling lack of appreciation. Rolling Eyes


So is it possible to be against the war but support the troops, or not?
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Tue 25 Jan, 2005 02:40 pm
FreeDuck wrote:
OCCOM BILL wrote:
FreeDuck wrote:
Sorry to butt in here, folks, but I was just thinking about this today. I would like to be patriotic and supportive of our troops. However, I am firmly morally opposed to their actions. I mean them no harm, but I don't support their efforts. I won't put a ribbon on my car or my house. I had thought before that it was possible to support the troops but not support the war, now I think maybe not. Is it?


Shocked I wonder if there was a single politician in the last election, Republican or Democrat, that didn't say the words "I support our troops". In fact, liberal Democrats tend to put the words "Of course" before the statement.

It flat out amazing to me that anyone wouldn't know the troops fighting in Iraq were mostly signed up before the war and had no choice in whether we went to war and most certainly didn't choose if we would go to war. Brave men and woman sign up to defend their nation and from that day forward they do as their told. Not doing so, with few exceptions, is a violation of law. Anyone who thinks people who volunteer to defend their country don't deserve the support of those they signed up to defend is showing an appalling lack of appreciation. Rolling Eyes


So is it possible to be against the war but support the troops, or not?


Of course.
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blatham
 
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Reply Tue 25 Jan, 2005 02:44 pm
Foxfyre wrote:
I fail to see where anybody said that Dys. Perhaps you could point it out.


Would a sign saying "Do NOT support the troops" be political?
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Tue 25 Jan, 2005 02:46 pm
Ticomaya wrote:
FreeDuck wrote:

So is it possible to be against the war but support the troops, or not?


Of course.


How?
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Tue 25 Jan, 2005 03:34 pm
Rolling Eyes
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JustWonders
 
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Reply Tue 25 Jan, 2005 04:48 pm
A Canadian with a Spine

Our nation fails to differentiate between democracies and despots

I see Foreign Affairs Minister Pierre Pettigrew as a Trudeau-style dilettante and a fob. Basically, a wine-sipping boulevardier, without Maurice Chevalier's talent or charm. Within a week or so, Pettigrew is set to release a new policy review on where our nation should stand in world affairs. Do we hypocritically continue to treat both free democracies and brutal dictatorships with "moral equivalency" -- closing our eyes to the evils of dictatorships -- or get some backbone and start forcing dictatorships to respect human rights?

Conservative Foreign Affairs Critic Stockwell Day, who knows Pettigrew reasonably well, will be looking intensely at where the newly-appointed minister stands on the issue. In the column "Day shines." (Jan. 11) I talked about my recent chat with Day and how the former Canadian Alliance leader is appalled at shipping tycoon Paul Martin's lackadaisical performance on all issues, and especially foreign affairs. Martin's regime has been going down the same road in foreign affairs as his predecessors Pierre Trudeau and Jean Chretien. The mantra of all three: Ignore our friends; embrace our enemies. Sacrifice Israel, curry favour with the sheiks.

...
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Tue 25 Jan, 2005 04:56 pm
and the spine seems well connected with the mouth. I think it's great when people have ideas they can offer even when they differ from my own. Unfortunately I live in the US.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Tue 25 Jan, 2005 05:50 pm
OCCOM BILL wrote:
Rolling Eyes

Rolling Eyes
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Tue 25 Jan, 2005 06:23 pm
FreeDuck, I think your sig line is spot on. I answer honestly, with crystal clarity, so you repeat the question? Is that supposed to be funny or are you being deliberately obtuse? I no longer care if it's deliberate or not.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Tue 25 Jan, 2005 07:53 pm
Freeduck isn't usually obtuse. He obviously didn't read your response to the question, Bill.
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