Thomas wrote:Magginkat wrote:The major questions remain: Who ordered NORAD planes to stand down and why? Why did bu$h fight so hard to prevent any kind of investigation into this crime?
As a consequence, NORAD wasn't informed about each highjacking until it was too late. In the highjacking of American Airlines flight 11, it was warned 9 minutes before it hit the World Trade center.For United Airlines 175, NORAD was notified about the moment it hit the second tower of the WTC. In the case of American Airlines 77, the FAA screwed up communications with NORAD and never asked for military help about it. Moreover, when NORAD did find out about a highjacked plane closing in on Washington, the communication failure mixed up the highjacked planes, so they sent their fighters to the wrong place. In the case of United Airlines 93, NORAD first head of the highjacking
after it had crashed in Pennsylvania. All of this is from pages 18 to 32 of the unanimous report of the 9/11 commission, which is available for download from the
Government Printing Office.
Throughout the report, I see many Snafu situations. They can all be plausibly explained by surprise about an attack nobody was prepared for, plus some incompetence. I also see a few NORAD officers who lied about their own screw-ups, probably to protect bruised egos. But I see nothing there that would suggest a concerted effort by the Bush administration to
bring about the attacks. You have not presented any evidence that would convince me you are peddling more than some crazy conspiracy theory.
How absolutely high and mighty of you Thomas..... I stated my opinion, then I asked questions that seems like common sense questions. Now you inform me that I have to show proof. Why should I show proof? I am just asking questions that were never answered by that flimsy excuse for a commission or anyone.
It's obvious that NORAD was not notified as they should have been. 4 airplanes were supposedly hijacked and they fly, & fly & fly without NORAD being notified. Who made the decision that NORAD would not be notified until it was too late? It had to come from damned high up in this administration. If you want to believe that these highly skilled pilots suddenly became so incompetent, I guess you are free to do so.
Check the dozens of other planes that have veered off course and show me any plane that flew as long as these without finding military jets flying along side steering them away from the invaded space.
Remember the golfer, Payne Stewart.
Aircraft Accident Brief
http://www.ntsb.gov/Publictn/2000/AAB0001.htm
At 0933:38 EDT (6 minutes and 20 seconds after N47BA acknowledged the previous clearance), the controller instructed N47BA to change radio frequencies and contact another Jacksonville ARTCC controller. The controller received no response from N47BA. The controller called the flight five more times over the next 4 1/2 minutes but received no response.
About 0952 CDT, a USAF F-16 test pilot from the 40th Flight Test Squadron at Eglin Air Force Base (AFB), Florida, was vectored to within 8 nm of N47BA. About 0954 CDT, at a range of 2,000 feet from the accident airplane and an altitude of about 46,400 feet, the test pilot made two radio calls to N47BA but did not receive a response. About 1000 CDT, the test pilot began a visual inspection of N47BA.
So after receiving no response at 9:33, Air Traffic Controller tried 5 more times in the next 4.5 minutes. At 9:52..... 19 minutes after the Air Traffic Controller lost contact a military jet was there.
And you don't want me to ask questions of this shyster, lying administration after 4 planes were hijacked and flew for over an hour before anyone paid attention?
Frankly Thomas, I don't care what you believe. You have your opinion. I have mine. I happen to think that if you choose to believe anything coming from this corrupt, deceitful administration, you are the one who is willing to live in your own "crazy conspiracy theory". BUT that is your right.
Oh, just to remind you of the two-faced, hypocrisy of some of your repugnant leadership, here are a few memorable quotes:
Quotes from Republicans when Clinton committed troops to Bosnia:
"Victory means exit strategy, and it's important for the President to explain to us what the exit strategy is."
-Governor George W. Bush (R-TX)
"You can support the troops but not the president."
-Rep Tom Delay (R-TX)
"Well, I just think it's a bad idea. What's going to happen is they're going to be over there for 10, 15, maybe 20 years."
-Joe Scarborough (R-FL)
"Explain to the mothers and fathers of American servicemen that may come home in body bags why their son or daughter have to give up their life?"
-Sean Hannity, Fox News, 4/6/99
" President...is once again releasing American military might on a foreign country with an ill-defined objective and no exit strategy. He has yet to tell the Congress how much this operation will cost. And he has not informed our nation's armed forces about how long they will be away from home. These strikes do not make for a sound foreign policy."
-Sen. Rick Santorum (R-PA)
"American foreign policy is now one huge big mystery. Simply put, the administration is trying to lead the world with a feel-good foreign policy."
-Rep Tom Delay (R-TX)
"If we are going to commit American troops, we must be certain they have a clear mission, an achievable goal and an exit strategy." -Karen Hughes, speaking on behalf of then Governor George W Bush.
Damn. Why is it that those republican accusations always.....ALWAYS turn out to be confessions? I love to see their own words come back and bite them on the arse!
You may well be right, but let's see what happens.
Thomas volunteered that he'd never been accused of being a shill for Bush, after MM had suggested you tend to accuse those who disagree with you of being Bush stooges with no minds of our own . When I laughed and MM reiterated his prediction; your only objection was that you're not in the habit of using the term shill. 