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Bush supporters' aftermath thread

 
 
FreeDuck
 
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Reply Fri 9 Dec, 2005 02:49 pm
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"My words to Howard Dean are simple - shut up," Pomeroy told WDAY Radio in North Dakota on Thursday.


Spoken like a true freedom-loving patriot.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Fri 9 Dec, 2005 02:52 pm
He sure seems to be. Glad you recognize it FD.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Fri 9 Dec, 2005 02:55 pm
I have eyes to see.
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Thomas
 
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Reply Fri 9 Dec, 2005 03:06 pm
FreeDuck wrote:
I have eyes to see.

Sure, but if these are any help in making sense of a radio host, American radios must work very differently than German ones.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Fri 9 Dec, 2005 03:07 pm
You are full of the business today, Thomas.
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Thomas
 
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Reply Fri 9 Dec, 2005 03:17 pm
FreeDuck wrote:
You are full of the business today, Thomas.

Business? Which business?
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Fri 9 Dec, 2005 03:29 pm
Thomas wrote:
FreeDuck wrote:
I have eyes to see.

Sure, but if these are any help in making sense of a radio host, American radios must work very differently than German ones.


But you do know we are speaking of a Democrat Congressman from North Dakota and not a radio talk show host, yes?
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Thomas
 
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Reply Fri 9 Dec, 2005 03:36 pm
Embarrassed No I didn't. I picked up the quote from FreeDuck's post, and my knee-jerk reflex told me that this must be some idiotic rightwing talk radio host. Who would have thought it was an idiotic Democratic Congressman instead? My mistake.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Fri 9 Dec, 2005 05:24 pm
Thomas wrote:
... and my knee-jerk reflex told me ...


We seem to get a lot of that 'round here. Very Happy

No problem, Thomas.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Fri 9 Dec, 2005 06:32 pm
Yep, idiocy comes in all shapes and politcal parties.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Sat 10 Dec, 2005 12:31 am
And now Dean is actually trying to claim his comments were taken out of context, "cherry-picked" for the pleasure of right-wing radio.

He is a liar as well as a loon.
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JustWonders
 
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Reply Sat 10 Dec, 2005 08:59 am
Yet another Democrat tells Dean to "SHUT UP"...
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Sat 10 Dec, 2005 10:55 am
Yes, that's the same Pomeroy FD and Thomas were equating with an evil right wing radio talk show host. (Disclaimer: this error has been acknowledged to their credit); however, I wonder how many statements like that, with no name attached, would be attributed to 'evil right wing radio talk show hosts, etc.'?
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JustWonders
 
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Reply Sat 10 Dec, 2005 11:02 am
Oops - didn't see where you already posted that.

Happy to see that not all Dems consider bin Laden a "freedom fighter" who is "not evil just has another point of view," and American troops "terrorize innocent Iraqis" and "can't win".
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Sat 10 Dec, 2005 11:05 am
I've been watching Pomeroy for awhile, and though he is a Democrat, he is more of a Truman/Kennedy type Democrat with some common sense and values placed where they need to be. He is one that I could probably vote for with a clear conscience if the GOP couldn't find somebody better.
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blatham
 
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Reply Sun 11 Dec, 2005 06:23 am
Quote:
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-niger11dec11,0,3678379.story?coll=la-home-headlines

But heck, no lying going on in this administration.


Or maybe you guys recall that interview Rumsfeld did with Russert just after the Afghanistan war began where Rumsfeld showed those diagrams of the caves at Tora Bora (multi-floored, sophisticated air recirculating systems, large bedrooms and kitchens, even garage space for vehicles, etc). And Russert remarked on the sophistication and size and accoutrements and Rumsfeld said, "Yes, and there are lots of them".

None of which...NONE of which was true. Nothing remotely like them were ever found.
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blatham
 
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Reply Sun 11 Dec, 2005 06:32 am
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The Torture Administration
by ANTHONY LEWIS

[from the December 26, 2005 issue]

When the Nazis came to power in Germany in 1933 and proceeded to carry out their savagery, many in the outside world asked how this could have happened in the land of Goethe and Beethoven. Would the people of other societies as readily accept tyranny? Sinclair Lewis, in 1935, imagined Americans turning to dictatorship under the pressures of economic distress in the Depression. He called his novel, ironically, It Can't Happen Here.

Hannah Arendt and many others have stripped us, since then, of confidence that people will resist evil in times of fear. When Serbs and Rwandan Hutus were told that they were threatened, they slaughtered their neighbors. Lately Philip Roth was plausible enough when he imagined anti-Semitism surging after an isolationist America elected Charles Lindbergh as President in 1940.

But it still comes as a shock to discover that American leaders will open the way for the torture of prisoners, that lawyers will invent justifications for it, that the President of the United States will strenuously resist legislation prohibiting cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment of prisoners--and that much of the American public will be indifferent to what is being done in its name.
full article
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 11 Dec, 2005 12:01 pm
Ask any soldier fighting in Iraq or Afghanistan, and they'll tell you that our "freedom of speech" is one of the things they are fighting for. Many people on the right would have you believe that restricting speech by our citizens is patriotic. What it is is "idiotic." That anyone could say anything they wish whether it's patently stupid or not is our countries right. It doesn't mean we must believe what they say, but offer differing opinions why it is stupid. Discourse should not be limited to what anybody considers "intelligent." That ends up being an oxymoron.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Mon 12 Dec, 2005 01:13 am
blatham wrote:
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http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-niger11dec11,0,3678379.story?coll=la-home-headlines

But heck, no lying going on in this administration.


Or maybe you guys recall that interview Rumsfeld did with Russert just after the Afghanistan war began where Rumsfeld showed those diagrams of the caves at Tora Bora (multi-floored, sophisticated air recirculating systems, large bedrooms and kitchens, even garage space for vehicles, etc). And Russert remarked on the sophistication and size and accoutrements and Rumsfeld said, "Yes, and there are lots of them".

None of which...NONE of which was true. Nothing remotely like them were ever found.


There is a difference between being mistaken and lying. There is a difference between being grossly negligent in accepting questionable intelligence and lying.

We can argue for weeks on end whether or not members of the Bush Administration actually lied about the justification for invading Iraq, but no one can, sanely, argue that Dean did not lie.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Mon 12 Dec, 2005 01:25 am
cicerone imposter wrote:
Ask any soldier fighting in Iraq or Afghanistan, and they'll tell you that our "freedom of speech" is one of the things they are fighting for. Many people on the right would have you believe that restricting speech by our citizens is patriotic. What it is is "idiotic." That anyone could say anything they wish whether it's patently stupid or not is our countries right. It doesn't mean we must believe what they say, but offer differing opinions why it is stupid. Discourse should not be limited to what anybody considers "intelligent." That ends up being an oxymoron.


I think this notion that conservatives want to suppress criticism of the war is overblown, but it sure does present a rallying point for the Left.

No one, with any ability to reason, is calling for Dean to be literally gagged, imprisoned or executed.

I don't consider him a traitor, just an utterly venal partisan, but calling him a traitor is, in no way, the equivalent of gagging, imprisoning, or executing him for his opinions.

If we are compelled to tolerate the idiocy of Howard Dean because discourse should not be limited to "what anybody considers 'intelligent'," then we can hardly find fault with the idiots who call for Dean's gagging, imprisonment, or execution.

CI you have planted a stake in the ground, and you will be bound by it.
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