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Bush supporters' aftermath thread

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 19 Oct, 2005 08:56 pm
"Every life is precious!"





The New York Times
October 18, 2005
Editorial
The Gun Industry Rolls Congress

Three years ago, the nation's capital region lived in fear of a pair of snipers who killed 10 people and wounded three in random attacks with a Bushmaster XM-15 .223-caliber telescopic rifle - a gleaming civilian version of the Army's basic M-16 assault rifle popular with recreational shooters. In the aftermath, the rifle was traced to a shoddy gun dealer who claimed he somehow "lost" that war weapon and some 200 other guns to the underground market. Victimized families sued in grief and outrage and won $2.5 million in a settlement that most Americans - except Congress - would pronounce proper.

The House of Representatives, in callow disregard of cause and effect in the nation's harrowing gun carnage, is about to take aim at the Bushmaster settlement by voting what is expected to be final approval of a bill to grant assault-proof protection from damage suits to the gun industry, from manufacturers to dealers. This extraordinary shield, written to the diktat of the National Rifle Association, is so sweeping that it would have barred the D.C. sniper settlement and other valid negligence claims, according to legal experts stunned that any industry could ever win such blanket immunity.

With all the critical issues on the national agenda, from the Iraq war to hurricane recovery, the House's eagerness is obscene as the gun lobby herds lawmakers from both parties behind a bill to deny victimized families their fair day in court. The bill goes beyond barring lawsuits to shielding black-market dealers from administrative loss of their licenses without near impossible burdens of proof.

President Bush talked favorably about the assault weapons ban as a candidate but was notoriously mute when the Republican Congress let the ban expire last year. Surely he would not compound the nation's gun scourge by signing the immunity bill.

* Copyright 2005 The New York Times Company
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Thomas
 
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Reply Tue 25 Oct, 2005 03:27 am
I don't mind the content of the gun bill. If it was a state bill I might even support it. But as a federalist, I have a problem with the way Congress is overstepping its boundaries in this bill. I believe that tort law ought to be developed by the individual states, and that the federal government has no business messing with it the way it is doing here. But on the content, I disagree with the New York Times and don't have much of a problem with Congress Republicans.

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On a different note, I would like to record a rare issue on which I am an unqualified Bush supporter: He selected Ben Bernanke as Greenspan's successor. This choice is almost too good to be true, and based on past experience with this administration I am tempted to ask: "Okay, that was the bait -- now where is the switch?"
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blatham
 
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Reply Tue 25 Oct, 2005 08:12 am
thomas

Yes. This Bush appointment seems to be getting positives from all corners.
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Thomas
 
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Reply Tue 25 Oct, 2005 08:22 am
blatham wrote:
thomas

Yes. This Bush appointment seems to be getting positives from all corners.

I noticed that too. But I think I now have an idea of what the switch will be. According to one of the articles I have read about Bernanke's appointment, there are still two governor seats to fill at the Fed. I am bracing myself for the event that Bush will appoint incompetent cronies for the two jobs on a Friday afternoon when nobody's looking: cronies in the image of Mrs. Miers and Mr. Brown who will be "doing a heck of a job".
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blatham
 
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Reply Tue 25 Oct, 2005 08:35 am
Let's watch and see. What I'd been wondering was something a little different, that is, perhaps the Fed operations are perceived as something quite different (very much more important) than FEMA or Agriculture or State or even Defense...it's not really a big thing if New Orleans gets drowned and lots of poor black people get displaced, and it's not even a big thing if 2000 plus kids get blown to **** in Iraq (not to mention a lot of folks with unfortunately tinted skin) or it's not too big a thing if during Bush's tenure that, say, 1000 species go extinct in America BUT IT IS a big thing if the serious money framework gets threatened.
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Thomas
 
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Reply Tue 25 Oct, 2005 09:08 am
Dunno -- how does that theory explain Harriet Miers for example? Even with the mindset you are suggesting, you would think that Bush and his advisors find constitutional law important, wouldn't you?
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Thu 27 Oct, 2005 07:47 am
Harriet Miers has just withdrawn her nomination to the Supreme Court.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 27 Oct, 2005 09:51 am
Fox, Source, please.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 27 Oct, 2005 09:52 am
From the BBC:

US top court nominee steps down

Harriet Miers' nomination has placed Mr Bush in the spotlight
The Texas lawyer nominated to the US Supreme Court by President George W Bush, Harriet Miers, has withdrawn as a nominee to the court.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 27 Oct, 2005 02:40 pm
Fasting for Bush:

http://www.heartlight.org/fast/
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Thu 27 Oct, 2005 02:52 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:


Thanks for the link, c.i.

I'll do it from now until around 8:00 this evening. At that point I'll be eating a pizza with my name on it.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Fri 28 Oct, 2005 06:54 am
Hey .... I lasted to about 8:30. I did my part.
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blatham
 
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Reply Fri 28 Oct, 2005 07:46 am
Thomas wrote:
Dunno -- how does that theory explain Harriet Miers for example? Even with the mindset you are suggesting, you would think that Bush and his advisors find constitutional law important, wouldn't you?


thomas

Sure. Many assorted policy preferences would be considered 'important' to various constituencies around the Presidency, this one or any other. The point would be, what constituency might wield the most real influence.
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JustWonders
 
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Reply Fri 28 Oct, 2005 11:34 am
Economy surges at 3.8% growth rate...even better than economists predicted

And this despite the hurricanes and high energy prices.

Remarkable.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Mon 31 Oct, 2005 10:41 am
Quote:
The Left's Cruelest Month
October was supposed to be the month that marked the meltdown of the Bush administration.

by William Kristol
10/31/2005 11:00:00 AM

OCTOBER, 2005 will turn out to be the left's cruelest month since . . . well, in a long time. A couple of weeks in, it seemed so promising. October was going to be the month that would mark the meltdown of the loathed Bush presidency. Iraq was failing, gas prices were rising, a weak Supreme Court nominee was under assault, and the White House was under siege from a special prosecutor. What more could a Bush-hater want?

But it was a false dawn for the left. On October 15, the Iraqi people voted for the second time this year, and progress--slow and difficult--gradually became visible on the ground. The economy, it turned out, was chugging along at a 3.8 percent growth rate. Harriet Miers withdrew--and President Bush followed that foul ball with a home run in the impressive person of Judge Samuel Alito. And the special prosecutor produced only one indictment, and one that will lead no further than a trial focused on what Scooter Libby said or didn't say to three journalists.

This late October reversal means this for November: The left will get even more heated in its rhetoric, even more extreme in its attacks, even more willing to distort and demagogue. And this in turn means the Bush administration needs not just to play effective defense, but to go on the offense--making the case for the war, its necessity, and the prospects for victory; explaining the role of the Bush tax cuts in producing economic growth, and fighting to make those cuts permanent; winning the Alito vote in the Senate and the constitutional debate in the country; and counterattacking against the criminalization of conservatives.

It will be a more interesting end of the year than most of us expected.

--William Kristol
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blatham
 
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Reply Mon 31 Oct, 2005 01:12 pm
Quote:
This late October reversal means this for November: The left will get even more heated in its rhetoric, even more extreme in its attacks, even more willing to distort and demagogue. And this in turn means the Bush administration needs not just to play effective defense, but to go on the offense--making the case for the war, its necessity, and the prospects for victory; explaining the role of the Bush tax cuts in producing economic growth, and fighting to make those cuts permanent; winning the Alito vote in the Senate and the constitutional debate in the country; and counterattacking against the criminalization of conservatives.

It will be a more interesting end of the year than most of us expected.

--William Kristol


The last sentence, where little billie wipes his sweat-dripped brow and offers up the "Whew! Maybe we aren't undone quite yet", tells us rather more about what he really fears and expects than the preceding paragraphs.

Billie reads the polls and he knows his history. He understands the depth of the hole his movement has to climb out of now. Nothing for it but to bluster, accuse and hope for a miracle.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Mon 31 Oct, 2005 08:02 pm
Won't it be really interesting for George W Bush to poll in the low 40's or high 30's and the GOP led Congress to poll in the high teens, low 20's, and the GOP can STILL win elections? Now if you really think about that, what do the Democrats have going for them?
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Lash
 
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Reply Mon 31 Oct, 2005 08:06 pm
<snicker>
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dlowan
 
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Reply Mon 31 Oct, 2005 08:56 pm
Foxfyre wrote:
Won't it be really interesting for George W Bush to poll in the low 40's or high 30's and the GOP led Congress to poll in the high teens, low 20's, and the GOP can STILL win elections? Now if you really think about that, what do the Democrats have going for them?


Not having the worst president in recent history in the white house as one of theirs?
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Lash
 
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Reply Mon 31 Oct, 2005 08:58 pm
They couldn't get him elected.
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