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Bush supporters' aftermath thread

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 4 Oct, 2005 10:26 am
Bush not only chose an unkown, but also a person with no experience being a judge. Another Brown, I suspect.
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jpinMilwaukee
 
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Reply Tue 4 Oct, 2005 10:33 am
cicerone imposter wrote:
Bush not only chose an unkown, but also a person with no experience being a judge. Another Brown, I suspect.


No experience as a judge doesn't bother me as much as the unknown. There have been many SC judges with no experience as a judge.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 4 Oct, 2005 11:04 am
Bush is getting harsh criticisms from conservatives; maybe Miers is a good choice. LOL
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 4 Oct, 2005 04:28 pm
From the LA Times:

New Challenges Force Bush to Juggle Priorities
By Edwin Chen, Times Staff Writer


WASHINGTON -- President Bush asserted today that he retained "plenty" of political capital to push his agenda through Congress, but he also suggested that some priorities, such as overhauling Social Security, may have to be deferred, largely because of the need to help rebuild New Orleans and other hurricane-damaged regions.

Experts have estimated that the job in the gulf states could cost $200 billion or more, a tab that has prompted some fiscal conservatives to question Bush's bona fides as one of them.

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Asked at a morning press conference in the White House Rose Garden about his record of fostering big government with the war on terror and the Hurricane Katrina cleanup, Bush insisted, "I'm still a conservative, proudly so."

When Bush listed his near-term priorities, he mentioned neither Social Security nor tax reform. Instead, he cited only the ongoing war against terrorism and the need to rebuild after Hurricanes Katrina and Rita, including expanding the nation's refinery capacity.

He acknowledged that despite a year-long campaign to fundamentally restructure Social Security, he had made only limited progress.

"There seems to be a diminished appetite in the short-term," Bush said. "But I'm going to remind people that there is a long-term issue that we must solve, not only for the sake of the budget, but, more importantly, for the sake of younger workers who are going to either have to pay a ton of money in order to justify current benefits, or to take a look at the underlying causes of the growth of benefits and do something about it, show some political courage."

During his nearly hourlong press conference, his first in more than three months, Bush also strenuously defended his choice of Harriet E. Miers to be a Supreme Court justice, calling her "the best person I could find."

The president also warned of a potential outbreak of the deadly avian flu virus.

"I take this issue very seriously, and I appreciate you bringing it to our attention. The people of the country ought to rest assured that we're doing everything we can: We're watching it, we're careful, we're in communications with the world," he said. "I'm not predicting an outbreak. I'm just suggesting to you that we better be thinking about it. And we are."

In defending his record as a fiscal conservative, the president said he had asked Congress to act on spending cuts he has already proposed, including $187 billion in cuts over 10 years from federal benefit programs and $20 billion in the next fiscal year from non-defense programs whose annual spending levels are set by Congress in appropriations bills.

Bush's $187-billion figure included all his spending cut proposals in benefit programs, but none of the accompanying spending increases. Adding the increases back in leaves his net proposed spending cut at only $71 billion.

In any case, Congress wrote only $35 billion worth of such cuts over five years into its budget resolution, which is supposed to act as a series of targets for spending and tax legislation. Some committees are balking at producing legislation that would meet the $35-billion target.

Congress is also trimming back the $20 billion in cuts from its annual non-defense appropriations bills. It is making up the difference by cutting from the defense spending bill, with the tacit understanding that it will restore the defense cuts in a special bill providing money for the Iraq war.


Comment: Another shell game by this president and congress. Trim the current budget, but ensure it'll be added back later on. That's a cut in the budget?
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Wed 5 Oct, 2005 10:59 am
Quote:
Mark Steyn: Islamist way or no way

October 04, 2005

IT'S not just the environmentalists who think globally and act locally. The jihadi who murdered Newcastle woman Jennifer Williamson, Perth teenager Brendan Fitzgerald and a couple of dozen more Australians, Indonesians, Japanese and others had certain things in common with the July 7 London Tube killers. For example, Azahari bin Husin, who police believe may be the bomb-maker behind this weekend's atrocity, completed a doctorate at England's Reading University. The contribution of the British education system to the jihad is really quite remarkable.

But, on the other hand, despite Clive Williams's game attempt to connect the two on this page yesterday, nobody seriously thinks what happened in Bali has anything to do with Iraq. There are, in the end, no root causes, or anyway not ones that can be negotiated by troop withdrawals or a Palestinian state. There is only a metastasising cancer that preys on whatever local conditions are to hand. Five days before the slaughter in Bali, nine Islamists were arrested in Paris for reportedly plotting to attack the Metro. Must be all those French troops in Iraq, right? So much for the sterling efforts of President Jacques Chirac and his Prime Minister, Dominique de Villepin, as the two chief obstructionists of Bush-Blair-Howard neo-con-Zionist warmongering these past three years.

When the suicide bombers self-detonated on Saturday, the travel section of Britain's The Sunday Telegraph had already gone to press, its lead story a feature on how Bali's economy had bounced back from the carnage of 2002. We all want to believe that: one terrorist attack is like a tsunami or hurricane, just one of those things, blows in out of the blue, then the familiar contours of the landscape return. But two attacks are a permanent feature, the way things are and will be for some years, as one by one the bars and hotels and clubs and restaurants shut up shop. Many of the Australians injured this weekend had waited to return to Bali, just to make sure it was "safe". But it isn't, and it won't be for a long time, and by the time it is it won't be the Bali that Westerners flocked to before 2002.

I found myself behind a car in Vermont, in the US, the other day; it had a one-word bumper sticker with the injunction "COEXIST". It's one of those sentiments beloved of Western progressives, one designed principally to flatter their sense of moral superiority. The C was the Islamic crescent, the O was the hippie peace sign, the X was the Star of David and the T was the Christian cross. Very nice, hard to argue with. But the reality is, it's the first of those symbols that has a problem with coexistence. Take the crescent out of the equation and you wouldn't need a bumper sticker at all. Indeed, coexistence is what the Islamists are at war with; or, if you prefer, pluralism, the idea that different groups can rub along together within the same general neighbourhood. There are many trouble spots across the world but, as a general rule, even if one gives no more than a cursory glance at the foreign pages, it's easy to guess at least one of the sides: Muslims v Jews in Palestine, Muslims v Hindus in Kashmir, Muslims v Christians in Nigeria, Muslims v Buddhists in southern Thailand, Muslims v (your team here). Whatever one's views of the merits on a case by case basis, the ubiquitousness of one team is a fact.

"Men of intemperate mind never can be free; their passions forge their fetters," wrote Edmund Burke. And, in that sense, Bali is more symbolic of the Islamofascist strategy than London or Madrid, Beslan or Istanbul. The jihad has held out against some tough enemies: the Israelis in the West Bank, the Russians in Chechnya; these are primal conflicts. But what's the beef in Bali? Oh, to be sure, to the more fastidious Islamist some of those decadent hedonist fornicating Westerners whooping it up are a little offensive. But they'd be offensive whoever they were and whatever they did. It's the reality of a pluralist enclave within the world's largest Muslim nation that offends. It's the coexistence, stupid.

So even Muslims v (your team here) doesn't quite cover it. You don't have to have a team or even be aware that you belong to any side. You can be a hippie-dippy hey-man-I-love-everybody-whatever-your-bag-is-cool backpacking Dutch stoner, and they'll blow you up with as much enthusiasm as if you were Dick Cheney. As a spokesman for the Islamic Army of Aden put it in 2002, explaining why they bombed a French oil tanker: "We would have preferred to hit a US frigate, but no problem because they are all infidels."

No problem. In our time, even the most fascistic ideologies have been savvy enough to cover their darker impulses in sappy labels. The Soviet bloc was comprised of wall-to-wall "people's republics", which is the precise opposite of what they were: a stylistic audacity Orwell caught perfectly in 1984, with its Ministry of Truth (that is, official lies). But the Islamists don't even bother going through the traditional rhetorical feints. They say what they mean and they mean what they say. "We are here as on a darkling plain ..." wrote Matthew Arnold in the famous concluding lines to Dover Beach, "where ignorant armies clash by night".

But we choose in large part to stay in ignorance. Blow up the London Underground during a G8 summit and the world's leaders twitter about how tragic and ironic it is that this should have happened just as they're taking steps to deal with the issues, as though the terrorists are upset about poverty in Africa and global warming.

So, even in a great blinding flash of clarity, we can't wait to switch the lights off and go back to fumbling around on the darkling plain. Bali three years ago and Bali three days ago light up the sky: they make unavoidable the truth that Islamism is a classic "armed doctrine"; it exists to destroy. The reality of Bali's contribution to Indonesia's economic health is irrelevant. The jihadists would rather that the country be poorer and purer than prosperous and pluralist. For one thing, it's richer soil for them. If the Islamofascists gain formal control of Indonesia, it won't be a parochial, self-absorbed dictatorship such as Suharto's but a launching pad for an Islamic superstate across Southeast Asia and the Pacific.

Can they pull it off? The reality is that there are more Muslim states than a half-century ago, many more Muslims within non-Muslim states, and many more of those Muslims are radicalised and fundamentalist. It's not hard to understand. All you have to do is take them at their word. As Bassam Tibi, a Muslim professor at Gottingen University in Germany, said in an interesting speech a few months after September 11, "Both sides should acknowledge candidly that although they might use identical terms, these mean different things to each of them. The word peace, for example, implies to a Muslim the extension of the Dar al-Islam -- or House of Islam -- to the entire world. This is completely different from the Enlightenment concept of eternal peace that dominates Western thought. Only when the entire world is a Dar al-Islam will it be a Dar a-Salam, or House of Peace."

That's why they blew up Bali in 2002, and last weekend, and why they'll keep blowing it up. It's not about Bush or Blair or Iraq or Palestine. It's about a world where everything other than Islamism lies inruins.

Mark Steyn, a columnist with the Telegraph Group, is a regular contributor to The Australian's Opinion page.
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kelticwizard
 
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Reply Thu 6 Oct, 2005 01:35 am
1200 words from a conservative columnist about Islam. What has that do with the appoiintment of a Supreme Court Justice?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 6 Oct, 2005 01:58 am
Well, the thread by Bush supporters actually ... :wink:
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Thu 6 Oct, 2005 07:26 am
Yes, and the point being that Conservative conviction that terrorism cannot be appeased but must be confronted is affirmed in those '2000' words. (Did KW count them? If so, he needs a new hobby.)
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Thu 6 Oct, 2005 07:30 am
kelticwizard wrote:
1200 words from a conservative columnist about Islam. What has that do with the appoiintment of a Supreme Court Justice?


Not a damn thing. But I'm sure if you look you'll find a thread devoted to the topic.
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jpinMilwaukee
 
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Reply Thu 6 Oct, 2005 07:37 am
kelticwizard wrote:
1200 words from a conservative columnist about Islam. What has that do with the appoiintment of a Supreme Court Justice?


The better question is what does your appearance here have to do with Bush Support?
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Thu 6 Oct, 2005 12:45 pm
On the issue of Bush support, however, I am pondering Peggy Noonan's column re the Miers appointment today.
http://www.opinionjournal.com/columnists/pnoonan/?id=110007363

Did the President blow this one? Or did he get it right and it is that we we all feel somewhat betrayed because we weren't able to guess it in advance?

I keep thinking about Sammons book, "Misunderestimated" and how the President's point of view has proved to be acccurate in the long run despite the heavy criticism in the interim.

I guess I'm wanting to be happy about this appointment. So far I'm still just pondering.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 6 Oct, 2005 01:23 pm
Those pondering whether Miers was the correct choice; consider this: There are plenty of qualified judges with extensive experience, not only in practice but also in teaching. Picking Miers out of the available judges was in and of itself a poor choice.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 6 Oct, 2005 01:23 pm
BTW, we really don't need another Brown in this country, another Bush appointee.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 6 Oct, 2005 01:29 pm
Incompetence seems to be an inborn thing with Bush. Failed in business, failed in politics in Texas *(most of Bush's initatives were reversed after he left), and failed as president. Bush may win the award for being the worst president of the US, but it can't be blamed all on Bush. The voters must take responsibility for what this president has wrought: biggest deficit of our country, a war he started on false pretenses that has turned into a quagmire with no end in sight for the loss of our military and treasure, loss of most of our allies including most Arab countries/people, and the incompetence of reacting to crisis in America.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 6 Oct, 2005 02:29 pm
From the BBC:

FBI 'probes White House security'
The FBI is reportedly investigating whether a US ex-Marine breached security at the White House.
Leandro Aragoncillo has already been charged in a separate case with sending secret reports to the Philippines while he was an FBI analyst.

He now faces a probe over a previous spell working at the White House in the office of the US vice-president, say US reports citing government sources.

Mr Aragoncillo, 46, worked for both Al Gore and Dick Cheney.

A naturalised US citizen born in the Philippines, Mr Aragoncillo then transferred to the FBI in New Jersey.

He was arrested on the first set of allegations last month, accused of using his FBI post to download 101 classified documents relating to the Philippines.

'Downloaded documents'

White House spokesman Scott McClellan said "We are co-operating fully with the investigation," while directing all questions to the FBI.

The US justice department alleges in the original case that Mr Aragoncillo passed material to former top police official Michael Ray Aquino, a confidant of Philippines opposition leader Senator Panfilo Lacson.

Mr Lacson is active in opposition attempts to bring down the government of Philippines President Gloria Arroyo's government.

Mrs Arroyo has resisted calls to resign, despite mounting pressure over accusations of rigging last year's presidential poll.

Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/americas/4315002.stm

Published: 2005/10/06 14:38:15 GMT
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Thu 6 Oct, 2005 03:10 pm
That's 4 SPAMs in a row. I bet you were going for 5, huh, c.i .... ?
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Thu 6 Oct, 2005 03:29 pm
Does he get a prize for that? Is there a limit per TOS?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 6 Oct, 2005 03:32 pm
You can report any spam, from the first one onwards.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Thu 6 Oct, 2005 03:34 pm
Thanks for the heads up, Walter.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 6 Oct, 2005 03:35 pm
It was a pleasure.
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