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Bush supporters' aftermath thread

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 11 Sep, 2005 01:48 pm
Go ahead, lash.
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Lash
 
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Reply Sun 11 Sep, 2005 01:53 pm
Let us begin with her most recent, disgustingly repetitive and likely lamest--personal name-calling tirade: She generally and specifically calls people 'chauvinists' 9 times.

Then, we have the virulent attack with multiple offenses against poor Momma Angel. How many insults do you find in here?
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I'm not shocked at Momma Angel's beliefs, I'm disgusted.

In some of my previous post exchanges with Momma Angel, I was too polite to state what I thought she really is based on a number of her posts. I called her an elitist instead. She denied she was an elitist just as she now denies her true character: "I am in no way, racist, a bigot, sexist, etc. In NO WAY whatsoever." It's too late for her to claim she's not all those types of people she listed in her last post. She's already amply demonstrated that the shoe, in fact, does fit.

(Subtotal: 5)
I visited Momma Angel's web site. I studied what sshe claims to do and who is involved. I studied her photograph to see if it matched my impression of her. It didn't and I was surprised*. I can't post the site's link here because the A2K moderators have already deleted it once before on another thread. One strong impression I got from this information is that a clever woman has found a use for A2K to support her personal efforts and in spreading her mission and philosophy, including her fund raising efforts.

*(Looksism...? What does that even MEAN?)
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BBB--- 15 offenses.

Fox---currently innocent.

It shall likely take me days, but I shall perservere. I will consider entrants from bystanders, but of course, I will make the final call on these applications. Thank you.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 11 Sep, 2005 02:04 pm
"Chauvinists" 9 times? ROFLMAO
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 11 Sep, 2005 02:08 pm
Fox wrote: "It's a new low BBB, and one espoused by only the lowest of the low."

Compared to "chauvinist," the 9 times is 1/1000ths of Fox's ad hominem.
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Lash
 
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Reply Sun 11 Sep, 2005 02:14 pm
Prove it.

I've watched Fox, and I have been AMAZED at her restraint.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Sun 11 Sep, 2005 02:14 pm
Okay that's 9 for BBB, 1 for Foxy. Keep going Lash.
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Sun 11 Sep, 2005 02:55 pm
Chrissee wrote:
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For instance, it took five days for National Guard troops to arrive in strength on the scene in Homestead, Fla. after Hurricane Andrew hit in 2002. But after Katrina, there was a significant National Guard presence in the afflicted region in three.


Hello??????? The National Guard is under the control of the Governor! There was Guard on duty in NO from day one. Just not enough and all the high water vehicles were in Iraq.


Poppycock. The major component of the Louisiana National Guard's presence in Iraq is its largest single formation (amounting to roughly a third of the Louisiana National Guard's manpower), the 256th Infantry Brigade (Mechanized), a line combat unit trained, organized, equipped for and tasked with Heavy Assault and Sustained Combat Action. It is one of 15 Enhanced Combat Brigades within the Force Structure of The US Army National Guard, and one of The National Guard's highest-priority, most combat-capable units, deploying front-line, current-issue equipment the equivalent of that disposed by a similar Regular Army unit, and is accorded intensive, specialized, combat-oriented training.

The 256th Infantry Brigade (Mechanized) consists of a Brigade Headquarters Company - the 256th Headquarters Company (Heavy), two Armored Mechanized Infantry Battalions, the 2cnd Battalion, 156th Infantry Regiment ("Steel Lightening") and the 3rd Battalion 156th Infantry Regiment ("Bayou Bandits"), one Armor Battalion, the 1st Battalion 156th Armored Regiment, one Armored Field Artillery Battalion (Tracked Self-Propelled), the 1st Battalion 141st Armored Artillery ("Washington Artillery"), one Combat Engineer Battalion (Armored) with specialized Mine Clearing and Explosive Ordnance Disposal capability, the 1088th, one Armored Cavalry Troop (Reconnaisance), Trp A, 108th Cavalry, one Signals and Support Batallion (Armored), the 199th, and the 256th Military Intelligence Company. Also attached is Battery H, 2nd Battalion, 202nd Air Defense Artillery, a unit of the Illinois National Guard.

Now, if it became necessary to clear actively defended mined pproaches, suppress and counter enemy artillery, engage and defeat enemy armor, conduct offensive armed reconnaisance, assault and breach enemy fortifications, and deploy heavy, track-borne infantry into an active heavy hostile fire environment in order to develop, secure, and maintain exploitable throughput avenues for the use of less heavilly armed and armored follow-on forces, or to defend an area or Front Sector against air, armor and artillery-supported enemy assault or to conduct ground operations in an environment of organized or partisan enemy resistance, then the 256th Infantry Brigade (Mechanized) would be a unit well suited for the task, in that its infantry component is mounted in tracked armored fighting vehicles, it disposes its own armored self-propelled artillery battalion, incorporates a tank battalion, an air defense battery, and has a tracked, armored heavy combat engineer battalion, along with ancillary support and administrative companies. The Louisiana National Guard includes a number of units somewhat more suited to the situation surrounding Hurricane Katrina.

One such would be the 225th Engineer Group, based in Pineville, LA, about 200 miles from New Orleans. The unit consists of 4 Heavy Engineer Battalions, 3 of which, 205th ENG Bn (CBT HVY), 527th ENG Bn (CBT HVY), and 769th ENG Bn (CBT HVY), are equipped primarily with tracked heavy construction equipment, and the 528th ENG Bn (CORPS) (WHLD), equipped primarily with heavy-lift, high-mobility wheeled transport vehicles. The 225th Engineer Group is not deployed to Iraq.

Another would be the 204th Air Traffic Services Group, based at New Orleans. The 204th Air Traffic Services Group is one of only two Airspace Management Groups in the inventory of The US Army. Among its assets, apart from airspace management, are all deployable aviation units within the Louisiana National Guard, including significant personnel and cargo transport capability and one of the best equipped air ambulance units disposed by any National Guard formation. The 204th Air Traffic Services Group is not deployed to Iraq.

Another would be the 199th Regiment (Leadership), an Administrative, Training and Recruiting unit responsible for the Officer Candidate Schools and Non-Commissioned Officer education in nine state Region F of the Total Army School System (TASS), encompassing Louisiana, Texas, New Mexico, Arkansas, Oklahoma, Kansas, Missouri, Nebraska and Iowa. Also based at Pineville, Louisiana, the 199th Regiment (Leadership) is not deployed to Iraq.

Yet another is the 61st Troop Command, New Orleans based, consisting of 2 Heavy Transport Battalions, Wheeled, a Combat Bridging Company, a heavy maintenance battalion, a Quartermaster Battalion, and the 156th Army Band. Its mission is is to provide management, transportation and distribution of containerized, non-containerized, palletized, dry and/or refrigerated containerized cargo and bulk water products. The 61st Troop Command is not deployed to Iraq.


Everyone is entitled to an opinion, of course. It is my opinion the task-at-hand relevant to New Orleans in regard to Natural Disaster as would pertain to The Louisiana National Guard would better be served by administrative, transport, construction, and airlift units than by amechanized infantry heavy assault unit, entirely apart from the fact the first-mentioned units were not deployed to Iraq.

Another personal opinion:

Lash wrote:
... I have been AMAZED at her restraint.


IMO, there are some folks on this thread that could do not only with sturdy restraints but heavy sedation ... for their own good of course.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 11 Sep, 2005 04:20 pm
Interesting picture showing how deep the water gets with category 1, 2, and 3. Katrina was a category 4.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v97/imposter222/cat1.jpg
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Sun 11 Sep, 2005 04:21 pm
1 for Foxy? Really? I finally got one? Where?

Another great post Timber.

But Geez people, I go to church and lunch and stuff and come back to find another WWIII in this thread? And Chrissee who built so many strawmen into her posts it would take a week to respond to them all and rarely supports anything is demanding proof? And BBB who hasn't made a political post that didn't follow the standard Leftwing attack points since the Carter administration, including posts of made up stuff since they can't find enough real criticisms of the president, is accusing me of being predictable?

Smile

Let's cool it though. No need to get the thread locked. I somethings think that is their intent when they come in here.
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Lash
 
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Reply Sun 11 Sep, 2005 04:32 pm
Funny, Foxy.

You're right. I'll behave. <kicks can>
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Chrissee
 
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Reply Sun 11 Sep, 2005 04:48 pm
Chrissee wrote:
Foxfyre wrote:
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Clinton's FEMA had its own problems (and huge criticism) in the wake of Hurricane George. .


Mind posting links to all that huge criticism and all those problems Clinton's FEMA had?

I am wondering if the Bush apologists are all the victims of cognitive dissonance?



Still waiting for the links. Now back to the game...

Go Niners!
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Sun 11 Sep, 2005 05:04 pm
Tell ya what Chrissee. You provide proof that I posted "all that huge criticsm and all those problems Clinton's FEMA had", and proof--not opinion--that Bush lost Florida because of FEMA's response to Hurricane Andrew--you might throw in BBB's proof that the National Guard under federal authority can't carry rifles--and I'll provide you a link citing criticism of government response to Hurricane Floyd.

For the record Clinton's FEMA did get high marks. I never said it didn't. He also had a reasonably friendly press and he was working with governors who did their job and weren't expecting the federal government to do it all.

(On a personal note, I cited Hurricane George before, but when I went back and looked it wasn't George, it was Floyd. Mia culpa on that one.)
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Chrissee
 
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Reply Sun 11 Sep, 2005 05:42 pm
Outfoxed again. That Clinton won Florida in large part due to Bush I's detachment during Andrew is an opinion. An opinion that most South Floridians would agree with.

It can't be proved or disproved. OTOH it is is a fact that FEMA was a model of effciency under Clinton and Witt.

OUtfoxed AGAIN!!!

Go Niners! Whooooooooo-hooooooooooo!!!!!
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 11 Sep, 2005 05:49 pm
Hope the niner's show some spunk this year.
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Chrissee
 
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Reply Sun 11 Sep, 2005 05:56 pm
Lessons his father didn't share



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By BILL ADAIR, Times Washington Bureau Chief
Published September 8, 2005


WASHINGTON - President Bush has worked hard to avoid the mistakes of his father.

He took a firm stand against tax hikes, in contrast to his dad's famous flip-flop. He paid attention to the Republican Party's conservative base, a group his father neglected.

He was careful to avoid his dad's mistakes during last year's re-election campaign. His aides analyzed memos and organizational charts from the 1992 Bush-Quayle campaign, which was hobbled by weak leadership and infighting. They set up Bush-Cheney 2004 with a clear command structure and a sharp focus.

But in responding to Hurricane Katrina, Bush seems to have forgotten the lessons of Hurricane Andrew, the South Florida storm that was a black eye for his father.

Government at all levels failed after the 1992 hurricane.

Counties and cities were overwhelmed. The state was unprepared and the federal government was slow to help. The situation got so dire a few days after the storm that Kate Hale, Dade County's director of emergency management, cried, "We're doing everything we can! Where in the hell is the cavalry on this one?"

The first President Bush eventually sent the cavalry, but it was clear the federal government needed to improve its disaster response. So when Bill Clinton took office a few months later, he appointed James Lee Witt, a seasoned pro at disaster response, to run the Federal Emergency Management Agency.

Witt did such a good job overhauling FEMA that by the 2000 campaign, then-candidate Bush had high praise.

"I have to pay the administration a compliment," Bush said during a debate with Vice President Gore. "James Lee Witt of FEMA has done a really good job of working with governors during times of crisis."

Bush's first FEMA director was Joe Allbaugh, a take-charge former campaign manager who was close to the president.

But after Allbaugh departed, the mild-mannered Michael Brown moved into the job and FEMA was gobbled up in the creation of the new Department of Homeland Security. Unlike Witt, who was a member of President Clinton's Cabinet, Brown was not.

Witt's staffers at FEMA had lots of experience in emergency management, but many of them departed once Bush was elected. Despite the exodus, the Bush administration earned generally good marks for its response to the Florida hurricanes last year.

Then came Katrina, which brought a refrain from 1992: The government was slow and unprepared. "The initial response from federal officials leaves the impression that they can't walk and chew gum at the same time," said Chuck Todd, editor of the political Web site Hotline.

Some Republicans say state and local officials in Louisiana and Mississippi were slow to ask for help. (The same allegations were made after Andrew.)

But regardless of how much blame they might deserve, it's clear the Bush administration was caught flat-footed for Katrina, despite the lessons of Andrew.

In his visit to the Gulf Coast last week, Bush looked tentative. He made matters worse by talking about the damage to the waterfront home of Sen. Trent Lott, a wealthy Republican who wasn't suffering as much as the people of New Orleans.

Bush also made a misstep when he praised Brown. "Brownie," he said, "you're doing a heck of a job."

The lessons of Andrew were that the feds should communicate better with the states, that the federal government should be ready to move in swiftly with plenty of resources after a storm and that bureaucracy should not hamper the recovery.

But those lessons seem to be forgotten.

Todd says FEMA performed better during the Florida hurricanes last year. "It makes you wonder," Todd said.

"Does FEMA only work in an election year? Or only when the president's brother is governor?"
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Lash
 
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Reply Sun 11 Sep, 2005 07:07 pm
OMG! Does this mean Bush might not get re-elected!!!
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 11 Sep, 2005 08:24 pm
I'll just leave the author of this article omitted:

To All My Fellow Americans Who Voted for George W. Bush:

On this, the fourth anniversary of 9/11, I'm just curious, how does it feel?

How does it feel to know that the man you elected to lead us after we were attacked went ahead and put a guy in charge of FEMA whose main qualification was that he ran horse shows?

That's right. Horse shows.

I really want to know -- and I ask you this in all sincerity and with all due respect -- how do you feel about the utter contempt Mr. Bush has shown for your safety? C'mon, give me just a moment of honesty. Don't start ranting on about how this disaster in New Orleans was the fault of one of the poorest cities in America. Put aside your hatred of Democrats and liberals and anyone with the last name of Clinton. Just look me in the eye and tell me our President did the right thing after 9/11 by naming a horse show runner as the top man to protect us in case of an emergency or catastrophe.

I want you to put aside your self-affixed label of Republican/conservative/born-again/capitalist/ditto-head/right-winger and just talk to me as an American, on the common ground we both call America.

Are we safer now than before 9/11? When you learn that behind the horse show runner, the #2 and #3 men in charge of emergency preparedness have zero experience in emergency preparedness, do you think we are safer?

When you look at Michael Chertoff, the head of Homeland Security, a man with little experience in national security, do you feel secure?

When men who never served in the military and have never seen young men die in battle send our young people off to war, do you think they know how to conduct a war? Do they know what it means to have your legs blown off for a threat that was never there?

Do you really believe that turning over important government services to private corporations has resulted in better services for the people?

Why do you hate our federal government so much? You have voted for politicians for the past 25 years whose main goal has been to de-fund the federal government. Do you think that cutting federal programs like FEMA and the Army Corps of Engineers has been good or bad for America? GOOD OR BAD?

With the nation's debt at an all-time high, do you think tax cuts for the rich are still a good idea? Will you give yours back so hundreds of thousands of homeless in New Orleans can have a home?

Do you believe in Jesus? Really? Didn't he say that we would be judged by how we treat the least among us? Hurricane Katrina came in and blew off the facade that we were a nation with liberty and justice for all. The wind howled and the water rose and what was revealed was that the poor in America shall be left to suffer and die while the President of the United States fiddles and tells them to eat cake.

That's not a joke. The day the hurricane hit and the levees broke, Mr. Bush, John McCain and their rich pals were stuffing themselves with cake. A full day after the levees broke (the same levees whose repair funding he had cut), Mr. Bush was playing a guitar some country singer gave him. All this while New Orleans sank under water.

It would take ANOTHER day before the President would do a flyover in his jumbo jet, peeking out the widow at the misery 2500 feet below him as he flew back to his second home in DC. It would then be TWO MORE DAYS before a trickle of federal aid and troops would arrive. This was no seven minutes in a sitting trance while children read "My Pet Goat" to him. This was FOUR DAYS of doing nothing other than saying "Brownie (FEMA director Michael Brown), you're doing a heck of a job!"

My Republican friends, does it bother you that we are the laughing stock of the world?

And on this sacred day of remembrance, do you think we honor or shame those who died on 9/11/01? If we learned nothing and find ourselves today every bit as vulnerable and unprepared as we were on that bright sunny morning, then did the 3,000 die in vain?

Our vulnerability is not just about dealing with terrorists or natural disasters. We are vulnerable and unsafe because we allow one in eight Americans to live in horrible poverty. We accept an education system where one in six children never graduate and most of those who do can't string a coherent sentence together. The middle class can't pay the mortgage or the hospital bills and 45 million have no health coverage whatsoever.

Are we safe? Do you really feel safe? You can only move so far out and build so many gated communities before the fruit of what you've sown will be crashing through your walls and demanding retribution. Do you really want to wait until that happens? Or is it your hope that if they are left alone long enough to soil themselves and shoot themselves and drown in the filth that fills the street that maybe the problem will somehow go away?

I know you know better. You gave the country and the world a man who wasn't up for the job and all he does is hire people who aren't up for the job. You did this to us, to the world, to the people of New Orleans. Please fix it. Bush is yours. And you know, for our peace and safety and security, this has to be fixed. What do you propose?

I have an idea, and it isn't a horse show.
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Sun 11 Sep, 2005 08:25 pm
Here are some links I hope Chrissee will enjoy:
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Lessons learned from Hurricane Floyd


Soldiers talk of a "fog of war." The term describes not only the haze of smoke that suffuses the field of battle, but the confusion that afflicts fighters in the chaos of combat.

Something similar confronts those who find themselves in the middle of a disaster. They can mistake friend for foe. Rumors run rampant. Bureaucrats make mistakes. Insurance adjusters, federal inspectors and repair contractors shove papers into the hands of the bewildered, urging them to sign.

These are some of the key lessons taught by Hurricane Floyd when it flooded vast areas of eastern North Carolina in the fall of 1999 ...

... A coastal mayor complained that federal officials weren't equipped to help her townspeople recover from sea surge and wind damage but were prepared to help inland dwellers deal with floods. Political leaders from inland towns scoffed at the complaints of beach dwellers ...

... Take the case of the town of Oak Island, N.C. The tourist town on the Atlantic Ocean near the mouth of the Cape Fear River took a pounding when Hurricane Floyd hit it straight on.

Co-mayor Joan Altman said in 1999 she was shocked when FEMA inspectors arrived in Oak Island, took a look around and declared that they had come with the wrong software on their laptops.

"It turned out the program wasn't for coastal towns," Altman fumed at a meeting with then-FEMA director James Lee Witt, who expressed sympathy.

The FEMA inspectors came to town with software for estimating damage caused by inland flooding. A different kind of insurance -- and a different way of estimating damage -- applies to buildings near beaches. Worse, Altman said, business owners received conflicting information from government agencies.

Altman worried that the software glitches and conflicting information could delay the rebuilding process.

"After a disaster people have a need, and the economy has a need, for a fast recovery," she said ...


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Dealing with disaster

PRINCEVILLE, N.C. -- Charles R. Dew can carry what he didn't lose in the flood: a set of work clothes, a framed Army discharge certificate and little else.

The honorable discharge, wrinkled but legible behind clouded glass, still hangs on a bedroom wall in his house, where the water rose inside to the height of a basketball hoop and stayed 12 days.

Two weeks after the September flood caused by Hurricane Floyd, Dew returned to his home to find all the furniture from his bedroom in the living room. The living-room furniture was in the kitchen, where a light bulb in the ceiling fan was filled with water. The soaked ceiling, burdened by drenched insulation, had crashed to the floor. The house is a total loss.

"I lost my job, I lost my business, my home, my cars, my clothes," Dew says, ticking off each item on the fingers of a hand. "But I got out with my life." ...

... Take the example of James Harper, who says he hasn't returned to his job at a steel mill because he doesn't have a car. But a look in his eyes suggests that he is so filled with despair that he can do little but get out of bed in the morning.

He is staying just north of Rocky Mount, where he, his wife and four daughters squeeze into a government-provided, 20-foot-long trailer -- one of 335 crammed practically wheel-to-wheel amid cotton fields. These aren't mobile homes -- they are trailers that you can pull with a pickup truck.

Residents of this makeshift village have nowhere else to stay. There just aren't enough houses to go around because so many were destroyed in the floods. Harper says he and his wife were lucky enough to find a rental house recently, but their application was turned down because of credit problems.

Harper -- a man who lived in the South Bronx for several years before fleeing back to his native North Carolina -- is desperate to get out of the trailer village. Eyeing idle neighbors with distaste, he says: "The only problem I have with FEMA is I want them to inspect my house so I can get out of here. I don't want to be here and my kids don't want to be here and my wife don't want to be here."

But here they are, their exodus delayed by a misunderstanding with a FEMA inspector. They were supposed to meet at a firehouse 19 miles away in Tarboro, then drive to the Harper family's rented house (they had moved into it the day before the flood).

But as Harper tells it, he and the inspector went to different firehouses. Harper set up another appointment, but that inspector canceled and left when Hurricane Irene threatened the east coast. Six weeks after losing his uninsured 1977 Ford Ranger pickup and the family's possessions in the flood, he still awaits an inspection of the house they were renting and its contents.


Watching listlessly over his two daughters who aren't yet school age, Harper says, "All I can do is wait and pray. That's all I can do right now." ...
... Communications breakdown
One of the worst things about being displaced by a disaster is the isolation. In the trailer village outside Rocky Mount, none of the trailers has a phone.

Residents use banks of outdoor pay phones, which makes it tough to receive calls. Mail is not delivered to the trailers. Most residents hail from Princeville, and their mail is delivered to the post office in Tarboro, the nearest to their former homes. That post office is 19 miles from the trailer village. It's quite a distance for people who have lost uninsured cars.

Despite these difficulties, disaster refugees are expected to keep in touch with government agencies and to pick up and respond to documents in the mail.

"I was pushed out of town so far, there was no way I could meet with a FEMA inspector," Princeville resident Milton Roberson says. He tries to hitch a ride to the post office once a week.

Even people who are able to meet with FEMA inspectors and deal with government agencies aren't necessarily happy with the results. Some are angry with the government or resigned to the idea that government won't help them.


This is what's going on with Dew. Six weeks after the flooding, he still appears dazed. He is frustrated and angry with the government and he feels sorry for himself.

Suspicious of government help
He just wants things to return to the way they were before. He is suspicious of government efforts to help.

"The flood has hurt us, but the federal government's going to screw us," he says as he escorts me through the remains of his house, with its collapsed ceiling and exposed rafters. He scorns Bill Clinton's promise, during a visit to Tarboro soon after the disaster, that the federal government would do all it could to put people back on their feet quickly.

That promise, Dew says, "is like taking a kid to the candy store and going up to the counter and then saying, 'No, you can't have that candy.' You don't do that to people." ...

... "What really bothers me is the government can bomb these foreign countries, then pay to rebuild them," he says. "But they won't do the same for citizens of this country who lost everything in a disaster."

SBA spokesman W. Donald Waite hears complaints about foreign aid all the time. "I just tell them that's a foreign policy matter and I don't have anything to do with it," he says with a shrug.

Sometimes it works
Compounding Dew's frustration is the story of his son-in-law, Ray Page, who has had an easier time dealing with the disaster.

The Pages bought a mobile home and moved it onto Dew's property, 30 feet from his house, a week before the flood. As they stepped into a boat to escape the rising water that fateful morning, Page grabbed a fireproof ammunition box containing vital papers.

His father had always told him to keep his important papers in a place where he could grab them at a moment's notice, and Page listened to his dad.

As the rescue boat floated so high above a flooded highway that the occupants could reach up and touch stoplights, Page wondered what the papers in the ammunition box would tell him. Was he insured against floods?

That night, Page went through the papers and discovered that, yes, the mobile home had flood coverage. It would be replaced. An insurance adjuster inspected the home as soon as the water subsided and wrote a check that day. A FEMA inspector came out soon after, and the Pages received a check two weeks later to help pay for a place to rent while awaiting a replacement mobile home. The FEMA inspector did not appraise Dew's house 10 yards away because Dew wasn't present.

Dew feels envious.

"FEMA -- after trying and trying, I finally got them to come out last Friday and they inspected the house," he says on a Wednesday six weeks after the flood. "I haven't heard any more from them." ...


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1999 Hurricane Swamped Clinton's FEMA

Democrats led by Sen. Hillary Clinton are blaming the Federal Emergency Management Agency for failing to respond adequately to the Hurricane Katrina disaster.

But FEMA didn't do much better under much less taxing conditions, when the floods that followed Hurricane Floyd left tens of thousands stranded up and down the Eastern seaboard, wondering what happened to federal rescuers.

New Jersey, Virginia, North Carolina and Florida were hit hard when Floyd slammed the coast on Sept. 16, 1999. It was the worst storm to hit the U.S. in 25 years - yet it killed only 61 people. That death toll expected to be dwarfed by Katrina.
Clinton FEMA Director James Lee Witt won high marks for hurricane preparation, but the flood that followed swamped his agency.

A full three weeks after the storm had passed, Rev. Jesse Jackson interviewed Witt on his CNN show "Both Sides Now" - and complained that flood victims were still suffering from a "misery index."

"It seemed there was preparation for Hurricane Floyd, but then came Flood Floyd," Jackson began. "Bridges are overwhelmed, levees are overwhelmed, whole town's under water . . . [it's] an awesome scene of tragedy. So there's a great misery index in North Carolina."

Witt explained that the storm's devastation was unparalleled, prompting Jackson to ask what was being done for the thousands of families left homeless by Floyd.

Though nearly a month had passed since the storm first hit, Witt said his agency was just beginning to address the problem.

"We're starting to move the camper trailers in," he explained. "It's been so wet it's been difficult to get things in there, but now it's going to be moving very quickly. And I think you're going to see a -- I think the people there will see a big difference over within this next weekend."

The Clinton FEMA Director came in for more criticism during another CNN interview - this time for failing to do a better job with Hurricane Floyd evacuation efforts.

"I hate to do this to you so early in the morning," host Carol Lin began apologetically.

"But I want to show you some video of Hurricane Floyd. This was the evacuation scene out of Florida last year. And you can recall, some three-million people in three different states were hitting the highways, jammed back-to-back trying to get away from the danger. And much of the local as well as the federal government was criticized for this backup. What is being done this year to prevent something like this from happening again, keeping people out of harm's way?"

Witt explained that evacuation problems were to be expected under such dire conditions. "It was very unusual when you had multiple states all evacuating at the same time," he told CNN. "It was the first time that that has happened that way and it did clog the highways."


While Witt's reputation remained largely intact after the Floyd fiasco, more than a few of the storm's thousands of flood victims complained that the agency had failed them.

"I had heard FEMA was going to be downtown, so I got up early to get down there and get in line," one North Carolina woman told the Associated Press, recounting her ordeal months after Floyd had passed. "The time came and nobody was there, just all these people waiting in line."

FEMA's sorry performance left her overwrought.

"I had been let down so many times, I just lost it," the flood victim said. "A friend of mine came walking up, and I just started toward her. She said, 'Robin, what in the world is wrong?' I was just standing there in the middle of the street crying, totally disoriented, practically hysterical."

Weeks after Floyd's floodwaters subsided, the suffering for many had yet to be addressed.

"We passed hundreds of families sitting outside their now-uninhabitable homes, with their water-soaked possessions spread out on their lawns," the Raleigh's News & Observer noted on Oct. 3, 1999.

"Desperately picking through the mess for anything to salvage, most people - particularly the elderly - seemed to be in a state of shock."


And where was FEMA?

"The larger towns had a visible FEMA and Red Cross presence," the paper said. "But in smaller towns it looked like utter confusion and despair - no one in charge, no one knowing what to do or where to go for help."

Timbernote: Yeah, its Newsmax - however, note the article is built on quotes from CNN, Associated Press, and The Raleigh News & Observer, and note the corroborating articles preceding the Newsmax piece. It happened (and Jesse Jackson was outraged).



And now, to revisit another theme -

Disaster Planning and Execution, Mexican Style

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Mexico stages large-scale evacuation of Caribbean coast, offshore oil platforms as Hurricane Emily approaches
By Mark Stevenson
ASSOCIATED PRESS

8:09 a.m. July 17, 2005

CANCUN, Mexico - A massive evacuation of tourists in one of the world's biggest resorts was underway Sunday, as hundreds of buses were dispatched to move tens of thousands out of the path of Hurricane Emily.
With the Category 4 storm expected to strike the Yucatan peninsula Sunday night, about 500 buses were ordered to move 30,000 tourists in Cancun to temporary shelters, while 70,000 to 80,000 people were being evacuated statewide.

Hundreds of tourists clutching pillows waded out of hotels in the twilight hours Sunday morning, waiting at curbs in a light drizzle to be loaded aboard buses.

"It's a little scary because it's happening in Mexico," said Brittney Denhart, 23, a recent college graduate from San Diego. "If it was on U.S. soil, it would be a little more reassuring. We don't know what the level of planning is." ...

... On the island of Cozumel, just south of Cancun, tourists in beach-side hotels were moved to accommodations closer to the center of the island, which lies almost directly in the hurricane's projected path.

Local residents also were expected to flee their homes to some of about 170 schools and community centers. Authorities said they had enough food ready to feed 60,000 to 70,000 people ...


Disaster Planning and Execution Louisiana Style

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Mayor to Feds: 'Get off your asses'
Transcript of radio interview with New Orleans' Nagin

Friday, September 2, 2005; Posted: 2:59 p.m. EDT (18:59 GMT)

(CNN) -- New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin blasted the slow pace of federal and state relief efforts in an expletive-laced interview with local radio station WWL-AM.
... I need 500 buses, man. We ain't talking about -- you know, one of the briefings we had, they were talking about getting public school bus drivers to come down here and bus people out here.

I'm like, "You got to be kidding me. This is a national disaster. Get every doggone Greyhound bus line in the country and get their asses moving to New Orleans."

That's -- they're thinking small, man. And this is a major, major, major deal. And I can't emphasize it enough, man. This is crazy.

I've got 15,000 to 20,000 people over at the convention center. It's bursting at the seams. ...

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"It's a little scary because it's happening in Mexico," said Brittney Denhart, 23, a recent college graduate from San Diego. "If it was on U.S. soil, it would be a little more reassuring. We don't know what the level of planning is."
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Reply Sun 11 Sep, 2005 08:38 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
I'll just leave the author of this article omitted:


While many Bush haters wanted the President to not visit NO, of course Michael Moore is critical he didn't get there quick enough. What a whiner.
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Reply Sun 11 Sep, 2005 08:55 pm
I got this today from a friend in Australia:

George W. Bush gave one of the worst speeches of his life yesterday, especially given the level of national distress and the need for words of consolation and wisdom. In what seems to be a ritual in this administration, the president appeared a day later than he was needed. He then read anaddress of a quality more appropriate for an Arbor Day celebration: a long laundry list of pounds of ice, generators and blankets delivered to the stricken Gulf Coast. He advised the public that anybody who wanted to help should send cash, grinned, and promised that everything would work out in the end.

... It would be some comfort to think that, as Mr. Bush cheerily announced, America "will be a stronger place" for enduring this crisis.Complacency will no longer suffice,especially if experts are right in warning that global warming may increase the intensity of future hurricanes. But since this administration won't acknowledge that global warming exists, the chances of leadership seem minimal.

-- The New York Times editorial, 1 September 2005
It never stops amazing me that people expect the impossible from this moron. He's an ape, an idiot incapable of thinking, let alone speaking. And yet he's the "most powerful man in the world". How can this possibly be?!!!

Murf
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