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Bush supporters' aftermath thread

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 26 Aug, 2005 01:02 pm
We are too!
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Amigo
 
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Reply Fri 26 Aug, 2005 03:28 pm
You guys should change the name of this thread to " Bush, Flogging a dead horse" Laughing
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Fri 26 Aug, 2005 03:30 pm
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JustWonders
 
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Reply Sun 28 Aug, 2005 07:37 am
'WONDERFUL TIME TO BE A SOLDIER'
By Joe Roche
Published August 26, 2005

I'm very proud to be a soldier of the U.S. Army because of the war on terror and our missions in Iraq and Afghanistan. I'm not alone either. I'm surrounded by soldiers who are re-enlisting and volunteering to go to units that are deploying. In fact, despite all the negative news and protests, I see everyday that our military is actually doing very well.
    
This is quite obvious, except for the fact that most of the media seems asphyxiated with defeatism. The message from most journalists would lead you to believe that we soldiers are getting out, that no one is joining anew and that we want to stop fighting. This simply isn't true.
    
Yes, recruitment is lower, but the caliber of those who are signing up and the rates of re-enlistment are both extremely high. All 10 of our major combat divisions are ahead of expectations for retention of soldiers. In my unit, there are soldiers who specifically went active duty from the reserves because they want to go to Iraq or Afghanistan.
    
Before September 11, a lot of soldiers were happy to just enjoy the benefits. Since that day, those soldiers have left. That is fine and not the disaster that defeatist reports are making it seem. Such soldiers were never the types to want to go on long deployments and face combat. Yes, they were heroes for signing up and being in a job that could go that direction, but they had other priorities that made their service contingent on enjoying the benefits rather than serving in war.
    
That changed on September 11. Now, just as we are told to expect when joining, we are going to combat and many soldiers are getting injured and killed. This is our job, and it is what we know can happen. I don't know why the media insists on trumpeting the idea that all of us are tired and worn out and just want to stop fighting. I don't, and I am not alone.
    
The fact is that we are not experiencing casualty rates anywhere near past conflicts, nor for that matter as bad as during peacetime. There were weeks in Vietnam when 350-400 Americans died, and in other wars thousands would die in single battles. Nothing like that is happening now.
    
From 1983 to 1996, more than 18,000 soldiers died. That averages to more than 1,300 a year, far more than have been killed in Iraq and Afghanistan each year. Yes, that was mostly from accidents, drunk driving and other mishaps. Yet, while protesters in Crawford, Texas and elsewhere would have you think that our military can't survive with the low casualty rates of this war, I wonder why they were willing to accept the much higher peacetime casualty rates of the past? We lost around 3,000 innocent people on September 11, and with four years of war and the toppling of two regimes, we haven't lost that many in combat.
    
Injuries are high, but they are nothing compared to past conflicts. And most striking is how many are recovering well. I have been to both of the major military hospitals involved in this war, Landstuhl in Germany and Walter Reed in Washington, and I can tell you that there are many soldiers who have lost limbs in Iraq and Afghanistan and who want to return to their units and get redeployed.
    
Like I said earlier, though, the striking fact I see every day is that the soldiers who are joining now are of much higher caliber than those who joined before September 11. The senior commandant of the Marines recently testified before Congress that the same is happening with them. There maybe fewer than before, but those that do show up are willing and dedicated to being deployed and going to combat. These are also the types who are re-enlisting more than ever before. In fact, re-enlistment is up to 130 percent of expectations in some divisions.
   
 My wife is in the National Guard. Theirs is an interesting experience right now in that there have been more casualties by accidents and reckless behavior off-duty than in Iraq and Afghanistan. Why are protesters not upset about that? Sadly it appears that much of the media are obsessed with defeatism. Even the message of the protesters ?- contradictory, false and confused as ever ?- is made front-page headline news every day. The few people they can exploit to push this defeatist agenda are made to appear to speak for all of us. That just isn't true.
 
Contrary to all the bad news, I see everyday that our soldiers are motivated and eager to contribute and participate in our nation's military missions. This is a very proud and important time to be serving. Considering that out of a population of 285 million, less than one-tenth of one percent are going to war right now, and considering the huge impact we are having on the world, this is a wonderful time to be a soldier in the U.S. Army.
    
    Sgt. Joe Roche is with the 12th Aviation Battalion and stationed at Fort Belvoir.
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Ethel2
 
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Reply Sun 28 Aug, 2005 08:16 am
And then there's this:

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/focus/story/0,6903,1557954,00.html

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What was on display at the convention centre was confusion, anger and division - an accurate reflection of Iraq's political process. Some leaders of the ruling Shia and Kurdish coalition insisted that consensus had been reached, as if saying it would make it true. Asked to name a Sunni who was on board, an aide to Chalabi suggested Hachem al-Hassani, the Speaker of parliament. But Hassani told reporters: 'No, no. I never said I am in agreement or disagreement.'

Unless talks resume and produce a last-minute breakthrough, the stage is set for a bitter referendum battle, pitting the majority Shias and Kurds against the Sunnis, which could edge the country closer to civil war.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Sun 28 Aug, 2005 09:32 am
I prefer to go with those who understand that most great things are accomplished with great difficulty, but who are optimistic that Iraq is up to the job.
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Ethel2
 
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Reply Sun 28 Aug, 2005 09:35 am
I know Foxfyre.........I know.
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JustWonders
 
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Reply Sun 28 Aug, 2005 10:27 am
The Sunnis in Iraq remind me of the Dems in the US. They lost and are now engaged in one long hissy fit.

Weeping.

Gnashing.

Endlessly.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Sun 28 Aug, 2005 10:31 am
JustWonders wrote:
The Sunnis in Iraq remind me of the Dems in the US. They lost and are now engaged in one long hissy fit.

Weeping.

Gnashing.

Endlessly.

Why yes, just yesterday I was setting an IED in the right lane of I-40 hoping to trigger it under a Volvo sedan with a family of 5 on their way to sunday morning services.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Sun 28 Aug, 2005 10:35 am
Too bad you couldn't take out a bus-load a them bible-thumpers . . .
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Lash
 
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Reply Sun 28 Aug, 2005 10:36 am
At least the desire is there.

Probably won't be long before the IEDs.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Sun 28 Aug, 2005 10:41 am
Yes, it's true Lash, going on now for 40 years or so I have been an active member of Liberals Poised to Bomb the Holy **** out of Christian Conservatives. It's what has kept my spirits up though the dark years.
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Lash
 
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Reply Sun 28 Aug, 2005 10:51 am
Setanta wrote:
Too bad you couldn't take out a bus-load a them bible-thumpers . . .

Let's examine this statement, before becoming quite so indignant. I guess mine was as funny as his.
[/nolaughter,though]
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JustWonders
 
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Reply Sun 28 Aug, 2005 01:13 pm
After reading this, I think the president needs to seriously consider hiring Scott Ott as one of his speech-writers. Smile

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Leak: Draft of Bush Answer to Cindy Sheehan
by Scott Ott

(2005-08-24) -- An internal White House memo, leaked today, indicates how President George Bush initially planned to address Cindy Sheehan's question: What "noble cause" did my son die for?

The draft memo includes suggestions from White House communications staff, followed by several paragraphs apparently handwritten by the president.

While handwriting experts from CBS News continue to pore over the document to verify its authenticity, here is the text of the president's alleged response to the grieving Mom whose protest has captured the hearts of America's journalists.

Dear Mrs. Sheehan,
You have asked me to identify the noble cause for which your son died. I have not answered you personally out of respect for the nobility of your son's sacrifice.

Being president forces me into the spotlight, but I would rather stand in the shadows of men like Casey Sheehan.

Directing national attention on my response to your protest creates a distraction from what matters. The focus of our attention, and our admiration, should rest on people like Casey Sheehan, who stand in the breach when evil threatens to break out and consume a helpless people.

The running story on the news networks should be the valiant efforts of our troops -- the merchants of mercy who export freedom and import honor. They trade their own lives for the sake of others.

As a result, we live in a nation where a woman can camp outside of the president's house and verbally attack the president for weeks on end without fear of prison, torture or death. And the number of nations where such protest is possible has multiplied thanks to the work of our military.

You ask for what noble cause your son died?

In a sense he died so that people like you, who passionately oppose government policies, can freely express that opposition. As you camp in Crawford, you should take off your shoes, for you stand on holy ground. This land was bought with the blood of men like your son.

Now, 25 million Iraqis cry out to enjoy the life you take for granted. Most of them will never use their freedom to denigrate the sacrifice of those who paid for it. But once liberty is enshrined in law, they will be free to do so. And when the Iraqis finally escape their incarceration, hope will spread throughout that enslaved region of the world, eventually making us all safer and more free.

The key is in the lock of the prison door. Bold men risk everything to turn it.

Mrs. Sheehan, everyone dies. But few experience the bittersweet glory of death with a purpose -- death that sets people free and produces ripples of liberty hundreds of years into the future.

Casey Sheehan died that freedom might triumph over bondage, hope over despair, prosperity over misery. He died restoring justice and mercy. He lived and died to help to destroy the last stubborn vestiges of the Dark Ages.

To paraphrase President Lincoln, the world will little note nor long remember what you and I say here. But it can never forget what Casey Sheehan did during his brief turn on earth. If we are wise, we will take increased devotion to that cause for which he gave the last full measure of devotion.

Our brave warriors have blazed a trail. They have entrusted the completion of the task to those of us they left behind. Let's, you and I, resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain.

Let's finish the work that they have thus far so nobly advanced.

Sincerely,
George W. Bush

Source
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blatham
 
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Reply Sun 28 Aug, 2005 02:12 pm
Quote:
They have entrusted the completion of the task to those of us they left behind. Let's, you and I, resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain.


As noted by Halberstam, during the Vietnam era, the rationale that "we ought to keep fighting so that those who have already died did not do so in vain" first began appearing in 1963.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 28 Aug, 2005 02:20 pm
Not only the 1800 dead soldiers, but the 17 percent who are coming back with mental disabilities, the 5,000 that have come back with physical injuries, the 100,000 Iraqis lives gone, and the five billion every month of our tax money going to support this war of questionable goals, benefits, and accomplishments. Not bad for a crazy president who could have attacked North Korea and Syria too. Democracy anyone?
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Thomas
 
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Reply Sun 28 Aug, 2005 03:11 pm
blatham wrote:
As noted by Halberstam, during the Vietnam era, the rationale that "we ought to keep fighting so that those who have already died did not do so in vain" first began appearing in 1963.

On the stock market, this psychiological tic is called "throwing good money after bad." But in this case, it's only about human lives, not stocks -- so why on earth are you so prissy about it?
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Lash
 
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Reply Sun 28 Aug, 2005 04:36 pm
Thanks, JW. I'm going to keep a copy of that.

Unforgettable and the most powerful statement I've seen about this whole thing since the war started.

Any response would fall forgotten to the side.
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Ethel2
 
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Reply Sun 28 Aug, 2005 04:39 pm
oh yeah? Ya wanna make somethin of it?
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Lash
 
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Reply Sun 28 Aug, 2005 04:41 pm
Are you talkin to me?
(looks around with DeNiro incredulity)
I said...are YOU talkin to ME?
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