Bush supporters' aftermath thread

Bush has failed at everything he's ever done and he's failing now. Thats a fact. Some of us have always known it, others are learning and still others will never learn.

nimh wrote:

blatham wrote:

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Republicans relentlessly criticized former President Bill Clinton over his handling of the conflict in Kosovo. Leading the charge was House Majority Whip Tom DeLay, who referred to the allied operation as "the Clinton war," according to the Houston Chronicle on April 20, 1999. Other Republican leaders, the Chronicle reported, took to calling the Kosovo conflict "the Democratic war," and House Speaker Dennis Hastert even referred to U.S. military personnel involved in the NATO operation as "his (Clinton's) forces." According to The Washington Post on April 14, 1999, Senate Republican Policy Committee Chairman Larry E. Craig also referred to the operation in Kosovo as the "Clinton-Gore war."

On March 23, 1999, The Washington Post reported, "Republicans again criticized Clinton's Kosovo policy as the Senate opened a debate on whether to demand that any airstrikes must first win congressional approval. 'We're now picking sides in a civil war where the United States' interests are not clear,' Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison (R-Tex.) said as the debate got underway. 'Before we go bombing sovereign nations, we ought to have a plan.'"

According to The San Jose Mercury News on April 11, 1999, "Republican criticism of President Clinton's leadership in the growing Balkan war intensified" when Representative Heather Wilson observed in the Republican Party's weekly radio address, "Thus far our strategy in Kosovo has failed to achieve our political objectives... The president owes the Congress a complete picture of the situation in the Balkans -- the effect of the bombing, the military and non-military options available, and the risks of each. What is the vital American national interest at stake in the Balkans?" Wilson asked.

According to the Associated Press on April 27, 1999, Republican Senator Bob Smith said, "[T]he US should pull out now rather than get 'bogged down in wars that are not winnable.'" Smith said, "I don't have a lot of confidence in the President in this matter at all." Republican Representative Charles Bass "characterized White House policy as indecisive and confused." Bass said, "The President needs to advise Congress as to what exactly his strategy is."

http://mediamatters.org/items/200405030001

Welcome back, Blatham. And quite a find. Close to brilliant.

If any of us would paraphrase those Republicans' statements in the context of the Iraq war, of course, many of the participants in this thread would be all over him for being unpatriotic and not supporting the troops. Very interesting.

A couple of questions spring to mind: Were these comments made during the Congressional debate over whether to approve the airstrikes? How many members of our armed forces were in danger during the relatively sterile Kosovo conflict, thus placed in greater danger by any such negative remarks?

Amigo wrote:

Bush has failed at everything he's ever done and he's failing now. Thats a fact. Some of us have always known it, others are learning and still others will never learn.

Really. He's "failed at everything he's ever done"? That's a fact?


You must have forgotten 2000 and 2004. :wink:

JustWonders wrote:

If the boss was responsible for harming the company, my friend probably wouldn't have gone to work there in the first place.

And this is where you go wrong. For a simple empirical check on this, why don't you go to the homepage of Stars and Stripes, the Department of Defense's official soldier newspaper? Go to the "letters to the editor" section, and you will find that soldiers are just as critical as civilians of the war in Iraq, and of the way it is conducted. This kind of undermines your and Foxfyre's argument that opposition to the war and its development equals opposition to the troops, doesn't it?

dyslexia, as a Nam vet, would you have preferred to have support from the folks back home, or the disdain of the folks back home. Were you glad to come back to the jeers and scorn from some?

So spare me all your chauvinist prattle, it's a waste of your energy. Save it for other idiots who are willing and eager to believe it. I will save my energy by not responding to any replies in defense of the idiots in charge.

BBB

An unscientific survey of U.S. military personnel shows they support President Bush for re-election by a 4-to-1 ratio. Two-thirds of those responding said John Kerry's anti-war activities after he returned from Vietnam make them less likely to vote for him.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/nation/president/2004-10-03-bush-troops_x.htm

Today Show: US Soldier in Iraq Zaps Media - "I'd be Depressed Too if I got my News from the Newspapers"Posted by Mark Finkelstein on August 17, 2005 - 07:37.
When the Today show sprung a surprise this morning -- an unannounced trip to Iraq by Matt Lauer -- one US soldier had a little surprise of his own for Today and the media at large.
Lauer interviewed a group of soldiers at Camp Liberty in Baghdad, and at one point asked about the state of morale. After getting two responses to the effect that morale was good, Lauer had this to say:
"Don't get me wrong, I think you're probably telling the truth, but there might be a lot of people at home wondering how that could be possible with the conditions you're facing and with the insurgent attacks you're facing. " (video available: Windows Media and Real Media)
If Lauer was the advocate for the anti-war case, he then made the cardinal mistake that no advocate should make: asking a question to which you don't know the answer.
Asked Lauer: "What would you say to those people who are doubtful that morale could be that high?"
Captain Sherman Powell nailed Lauer, the MSM and the anti-war crowd with this beauty:
"Well sir, I'd tell you, if I got my news from the newspapers also I'd be pretty depressed as well!"
Bada-bing!
Powell went on to add that, while acknowledging the difficulties the media face in getting out into the field in Iraq,
"For those of us who have actually had a chance to get out and meet the Iraqi Army and Iraqi police and go on patrols with them, we are very satisfied with the way things are going here and we are confident that if we are allowed to finish the job we started we'll be very proud of it and our country will be proud of us for doing it!"
Finkelstein has degrees from Cornell University and Harvard Law School.He lives in Ithaca, NY where he hosts "Right Angle," a local political talk show. Finkelstein specializes in exposing liberal bias at NBC's Today Show.
http://newsbusters.org/node/328

"Michael Moore's film, Fahrenheit 9/11, is making the rounds here at U.S. bases in Kuwait. Some soldiers have received it already and are passing is around. The impact is devastating. Here we are, soldiers of the 1st Armored Division, just days from finally returning home after over a year serving in Iraq, and Moore's film is shocking and crushing soldiers, making them feel ashamed. Moore has abused the First Amendment and is hurting us worse than the enemy has. There are the young and impressionable soldiers, like those who joined the Army right out of high school. They aren't familiar w/ the college-type political debate environment, and they haven't been schooled in the full range of issues involved. They are vulnerable to being hurt by a vicious film like Moore's