Cobalt8 wrote:Ah happy barely describes it. I was seriously concerned about America's short term future if Kerry had been elected. So let the party commence ... ummm .... let the 72 hour old party continue.
Cobalt, welcome to the forum. Party on!
People! May I introduce Cobalt, a good person who voted for President Bush. I know her from other websites and will vouch for the fact she's a good driver and loves Siberian Huskies!
YAY COBALT!!!!!
WELCOME!!!!!
Oh, yeah .... remiss of me. Howdy, Cobalt8. Don't mind me none. Didn't mean to be rude, I'm just not the real sensitive type .... didn't even think about it. Anyhow, an endorsement from HofT is good enough for me. Welcome aboard, and if ya need anything, just holler.
Well I have to agree that some of you guys were really insensitive and rude to the libs who popped in here. The only one I know who has been so rude and insensitive is me.
I don't think we should run em off when they come in. I do think in a pro Bush thread though, we should be allowed a little more leeway to pile on after giving them a gentle advance warning of course.
Yeah, Fox ... that's my take. Mebbe let 'em know up front it might get a little rough, but they're welcome to play if they can handle a little heat.
A former classmate of mine (Santa Fe High) is now a dentist in South Dakota. As soon as the returns were in on Daschle he emailed me to report they had done their job there and how were we doing turning New Mexico red? I was happy to report we had accomplished our goal as well.
It had to be bittersweet for a small state like SD to toss out a Senate minority leader though. That's a lot of seniority and clout to rebuild.
well, I'm not very welcome in the kerry threads and damn sure not welcome here, I could start a liberal only thread or just go out and eat worms. It's kinda disappointing to realize how bigoted both sides of the isle are. party on!
Gee Dys. Nobody here said you weren't welcome. Did you put the Kerry threads on a guilt trip too?
there's damn good southern whisky in the kitchen; I think I will partake and go to bed. Sleep well and prosper. (put out the cat and bring in the dog)
i dont understand how anyone could be happy with the election since it is obvious how divided the american people are. it is sad to me, that there is such a wedge between our country
Dys, if they'll let me
appear to gloat in here, I knew they'd welcome you as well. :wink:
Did anybody catch Bill Maher tonight? He got his ass handed to him by 73 year old Alan Simpson (former Wyoming Senator).
Dude interupted him with "Awe Bullshit!"... then says "keep making fun people for their values and see where it gets you." Maher tried to be respectful, and Simpson just kept whacking him.
Next, a gay dude was on the panel and whooped the tar out of him for religion bashing again. Do you suppose the Democrats will figure out that no matter how ridiculous religion might seem to them, claiming they lost to the "religious right", will prove to be a recurring self fulfilling prophecy if they keep bashing them? It wouldn't appear so. Next dude went off on Maher for having Chomsky come on to tell everyone to hate America first. That whole "hate America first" mantra doesn't seem to be that big of a draw for the Dems either, does it?
(That was only
appearing to gloat.)
This is much less of a wedge than there has been in the past. Also, this election caused people to care again. Record new registrations, record turn out.
Yes, there are people who are upset, but if they don't sit back and moan, and instead stand up and do their part, it will be a good thing.
The truly sad thing would be for everybody to forget and go back to their holes and just wait these next four years out.
kasey write
Quote:i dont understand how anyone could be happy with the election since it is obvious how divided the american people are. it is sad to me, that there is such a wedge between our country
Welcome to A2K Kasey and if you read the thread, you'll see that you're welcome here, but this is a pro Bush thread and the pro Bush people are feeling pretty good about the election right now and may object to your attempt to throw cold water here.
We don't see it as a widely divided nation. The people have spoken. Roughly 3.5 million more voters voted for Bush than voted for Kerry, but a huge number of those eligible to vote didn't which would suggest they either don't care or didn't care enough to vote out Bush. So we can surmise that more than 50% of the voters are pleased with the results and the other half of the country will go along with whatever. That puts the Kerry supporters in a distinct, however vocal, minority and I for one have high hopes that we can look forward to a successful and prosperous four years.
although i was for kerry if kerry had won it would have not made me happy to see such division~ i would not have claimed victory
Well you would be highly unusual then Kasey. The Kerry voters also mostly voted for Clinton and claimed victory with a much smaller percentage of the vote than Bush got
Admittedly the spread between Bush and Kerry was smaller than we've seen in several decades and that testifies to how much each side energized their base. But as I said, I think it's safe to say that enough people wanted Bush to win and enough non voters don't care one way or the other that Bush will be able to govern for the next four years. And that is a win any way you cut it.
yeah but they (non-voters) obviously didnt care if kerry won either- as for clinton- iam not a pro clinton democrat- i am basically a socialist- if i would have voted strictly on values i would have voted for nader- but since he was not even on our ballot i had little choice
For the next four years the Republican Party has an opportunity to achieve great things. We occupy the Executive mansion, have potential control over both houses of Congress, and are in ascendance in most State governments. We will probably be appointing as many as three new Justices, and so the Judicial flywheel over the next decade, or so, may reflect our fundamental principles. The opposition party seems determined to repeat the political errors that have historically been more associated with losing than winning elections.
We have had a heady week watching the shrill haters scramble about looking for excuses. Many of our A2K Democrats have already abandoned the leaders that only a week ago were hailed as the moral saviors of the country. The liberal Democratic strongholds on the coasts and in the large urban areas seem to believe that the rest of the electorate is stupid, silly, intolerant, thoughtless
or worse. They will apparently continue to believe that government should seek to aggressively insinuate itself into every aspect of our individual lives. Those who are wealthy should be punished, and to seek a better life for one's self and family is deemed selfishness. No criminal or pauper is responsible for their own condition, but every unhappiness is the fault of a society that refuses to adopt the agenda of their party. The most radical of them blame our system of government and our republican system for all the ills of the entire world. The United States, according some in that camp, is responsible for creating the radicalism of Southwestern Asia. They find it easy to have sympathy for the terrorists, who after all are justified in all their efforts to defeat a distasteful American government. The defeated Democrats blame everyone, but themselves for losing this election.
It would be easy to assume that the opposition party will continue to alienate the American voters. That would be a mistake. The Democratic Party raised enormous amounts of cash, they enlisted an attractive group of celebrities to endorse their candidates, they mounted an impressive campaign that reached every part of the nation, and they have a dedicated core of fanatical partisans. Their message is beguiling. Unhappiness, intolerance, inequality, poverty, and war are all the fault of a small cabal of power-mad wealthy Republicans who would overthrow the Constitution and institute Charismatic Christianity as the State Religion. Seems silly doesn't it, but they have managed to convince almost half of the electorate to support them. To object that it is impossible for any government to bring about the sort of utopian paradise that the Democrats promise, is to be heaped with scorn and derided as having no empathy for the downtrodden. Still, their message has been in ascendance for over sixty years. They claim that the remarkable strides in civil rights and the general welfare is proof of their policies. Is that so, or have the social engineering programs so dear to their hearts led to many of the problems we face today?
We should not expect that the Democratic Party, much less its more vocal partisans, will make any effort to support Republican policies or programs in the next four years. They will be as divisive in the future as they have been in the past. Our efforts and hopes should not be directed to those who vow unending obstruction and opposition to every Republican initiative. Instead, we need to contrast our dedication to principle with their hypocrisies. The great majority of the American People still believe in the Constitution and the core values that have always guided the nation. Those values aren't Christian values necessarily, but Americans do respect the value of religion and each individual's right to believe as they wish. Americans don't necessarily want to see Roe v. Wade overturned, but they have a deep reverence for life and the importance of families. American's really hate war and standing armies, but are not so naïve as to think that they can be dispensed with. We are a people who are self-absorbed and concerned with our own lives, that's one of the things that happen when people are free. Democracy doesn't transform individuals into angles, and failure is not foreclosed by liberty. That message has to be carried throughout the land.
The next four years will not make everyone in the United States happy, or secure, or economically secure. Even if every Republican policy, program and initiative is successful beyond imagining, the result will not be a perfect nation, much less a perfect world. The clock will not be turned back to 9/10, or any other mythical golden age. The world will still be a dangerous place, and the problems of modernity will still exist. Some will unjustly suffer, and others will be fortunate without cause. Failure and stupidity will still be common.
What we can do in the next four years is to demonstrate that a strong central government can be effective without un-necessarily intruding into the personal lives of its citizens. We forestall our enemies by carrying the fight to them, sometimes by military force, sometimes by covert operations, and sometimes by diplomacy and negotiation. We can reduce pork barrel legislation and properly arm and equip our military forces. We can act with integrity and courage when faced with difficult choices. We can work to improve party organization, and reach out to those parts of the electorate that only have half-heartedly supported the Democrats over the last two decades. We can remain on the high ground where the view of events and the future are more evident than in the foggy swamplands that seem so attractive to the opposition.
