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Bush supporters' aftermath thread

 
 
Foxfyre
 
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Reply Wed 15 Jun, 2005 01:09 pm
I wrote
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I don't know how many hits any site gets in a day, and that is not particularly important to me. I do know I am far more likely to find verifiable useful information on a conservative site than I am likely to find verifiable useful nfomration on a liberal site. The liberal sites seem to be mostly forums for bashing the United States, George Bush, anything to do with the military, anything to do with conservative beliefs or values, etc. You find very little there outlining liberal ideals or values and providing a rationale for them. Which is why the liberal sites, at least to me, are pretty boring.

I'm sure they are fascinating to those who have no more interest in politics, ideas, or values than to accuse or criticze something or somebody on the right.


Now perhaps this would irk an avowed liberal who frequents the Bush-bashing sites, but I think my meaning, re my own experience, was pretty clear. I should have said "I find very little there" instead of "you find very little there" but what can I say? I'm from the south and that's the way we talk.

Nimh writes
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Only thing that gets up my nerves is posters making blanket statements backed up by little fact and using them to hit each other over the head with.

That goes, foremost, for Fox blisfully declaring that one is "far more likely to find verifiable useful information on a conservative site than on a liberal site" and that "liberal sites seem to be mostly forums for bashing the United States [and] George Bush" (whereas "conservative sites", in the same kind of blanket generalisation way, I suppose consistently "outline conservative ideals or values and provide a rationale for them").


Now you can take that two ways. Either Nimh completely misrepresentated what I said, or he called me a liar. I gave him the benefit of the doubt.

Also remember that the whole discussion was within a context of conservative versus liberal blogs.
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HofT
 
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Reply Wed 15 Jun, 2005 01:54 pm
Foxfyre - please cut nimh some slack. Keep in mind the basic rule of mathematical modelling (the robustness of a model is proportional to its predictive value) and consider that not only did nimh's model get the US election wrong (as previously posted by Timber) but it also got the EU constitutional referenda wrong.

Models which reliably predict the opposite of the observed result have their uses, too!
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JustWonders
 
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Reply Wed 15 Jun, 2005 02:33 pm
timberlandko wrote:
An ego thing - nimh is an able and indefatigible analytical statistician, one who's views, projections, and conclusions often have run counter to my own, though the pair of us largely have drawn on the same raw data. I believe the overall political developments over the period through which he and I have contested one another have afforded nimh more surprise and disappointmet than has been provided me by the same events. Case in point:

http://www.joelcomm.com/bush_wins.jpg


Mr. Green


WOO HOO, TIMBER!!! Wasn't that just the GREATEST day???????? Man, look at the stock market SmileSmileSmile I haven't stopped smiling and it's over SIX months LOL!!!!! I LOVE George W. Bush!!!

Thanks for that joyful (and timely) reminder Smile
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Wed 15 Jun, 2005 02:39 pm
HofT writes
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Foxfyre - please cut nimh some slack. Keep in mind the basic rule of mathematical modelling (the robustness of a model is proportional to its predictive value) and consider that not only did nimh's model get the US election wrong (as previously posted by Timber) but it also got the EU constitutional referenda wrong.

Models which reliably predict the opposite of the observed result have their uses, too!


LOL HofT. But hey I did cut him some slack. I used no obscenities and I was perfectly polite. Well almost anyway. I happen to admire Nimh's statistical skills no matter how wrong his inferences are. I just got tired of putting up with wrong inferences about me.
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JustWonders
 
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Reply Wed 15 Jun, 2005 02:46 pm
Foxy - I'm in total agreement with all of the above. I've been out all day and came home to all these new pages LOL! I think that we've had very similar experiences with our visits to the liberal (some I flat out call 'lefty') blogs.

The thing is, if you see the anger, the negativity, the venom and outright slander, it's difficult to make a return trip! I took me a long time before I could go back to DU after the election because of the nastiness (tons of it) posted there. They wanted to NUKE Ohio LOL!!! Wow, were they ticked off at those poor folks.

Then, when you do force yourself to make a return trip and find the exact same things being said, it's not hard to formulate an opinion that that's all they discuss.

Nimh, I think, tries hard to be fair (harder than most lefties here), but since I've sometimes been on the receiving end of his scorn for conservatives, I understand your frustration. He's also young (even younger than me, I think), and has had a couple of major political disappointments lately. Frankly, I'm surprised he would even deign to enter into something as silly as 'who's blogs are better' or my obvious faux pas of using an acronym perceived to be reserved for right-wingers.

As you pointed out, though, THIS is a thread for Bush supporters to rant, vent, praise, compliment or whatever we dang well please. If the lefties don't like it, they don't have to read it. They can take their weeping and gnashing to their own thread SmileSmileSmile
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Thomas
 
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Reply Wed 15 Jun, 2005 02:52 pm
timberlandko wrote:
I believe the overall political developments over the period through which he and I have contested one another have afforded nimh more surprise and disappointmet than has been provided me by the same events.

As we say in Germany:"Ein blindes Huhn findet auch mal ein Korn". ("A blind chicken will find a grain every now and then, too.") I guess in your case it would be a blind eagle. Since you're a Republican, your success certainly cannot possibly be explained with your intellect. Razz
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 15 Jun, 2005 02:54 pm
DU is the Freerepublic of the Left, lol

Cycloptichorn
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Thomas
 
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Reply Wed 15 Jun, 2005 02:54 pm
timberlandko wrote:
I believe the overall political developments over the period through which he and I have contested one another have afforded nimh more surprise and disappointmet than has been provided me by the same events.

As we say in Germany:"Ein blindes Huhn findet auch mal ein Korn". ("A blind chicken will find a grain every now and then, too.") I guess in your case it would be a blind eagle. Since you're a Republican, your success certainly cannot possibly be explained with your intellect. Razz
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Wed 15 Jun, 2005 03:05 pm
JW writes
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As you pointed out, though, THIS is a thread for Bush supporters to rant, vent, praise, compliment or whatever we dang well please. If the lefties don't like it, they don't have to read it. They can take their weeping and gnashing to their own thread


Thanks JW. I really don't mind them venting here--it's so BORING on their threads Smile--and so long as its kept reasonably civil it does force us to think about our rationale and devise better ways to articulate it. Or at the very least it gives us some targets to shoot at. Smile

Psst...for the humor impaired....the above is an intentional exaggeration. I don't think all liberal threads are boring. I shall tactfully refrain from providing statistics for that though.
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Lash
 
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Reply Wed 15 Jun, 2005 03:49 pm
Timber! Check out the cajones on Thomas!!!




<hee>
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Wed 15 Jun, 2005 04:09 pm
It is a well-known fact that all liberal threads are boring, and all conservative threads are stimulating and fun. I thought everyone knew that.
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Lash
 
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Reply Wed 15 Jun, 2005 04:10 pm
True that.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 15 Jun, 2005 04:13 pm
Correct.
(Isn't a famous book starting with "In the beginning was a blog and this blog was conservative and fun was the blog"? :wink: )
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Lash
 
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Reply Wed 15 Jun, 2005 04:16 pm
Who let Walter read the Conservative Bible...?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 15 Jun, 2005 04:20 pm
I got it together with this little Red Book Sad
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Lash
 
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Reply Wed 15 Jun, 2005 04:25 pm
The Red Book didn't have a chapter on fun...
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Wed 15 Jun, 2005 07:56 pm
The red book doesn't need a chapter for fun when the blue book has so much of it. Smile

http://www.canadafreepress.com/toons/howard-dean.gif
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JustWonders
 
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Reply Wed 15 Jun, 2005 10:14 pm
Laughing
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kelticwizard
 
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Reply Wed 15 Jun, 2005 10:52 pm
Foxfyre's distress at Nimh's quotation of her is incomprehensible.

This is the basis of Foxfyre's complaint.

Foxfyre wrote:
I do know I am far more likely to find verifiable useful information on a conservative site than I am likely to find verifiable useful nfomration on a liberal site.


Nimh's quote of that is as follows.
nimh wrote:
....Fox blisfully declaring that one is "far more likely to find verifiable useful information on a conservative site than on a liberal site"


The gist of both statements is that Foxfyre finds useful information is found in far more abundance on conservative sites than liberal ones.

There is nothing to choose between the two statements. They are equivalent.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Wed 15 Jun, 2005 11:10 pm
What I find pesonally on a website does not automatically extrapolate into what I presume everybody finds on a website KW. The only thing I can figure is being very left wing makes some unable to differentiate between very different words.
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