Foxfyre wrote:
For that matter, I'm not sure a lot of younger Americans know what ICBM is an acronym for; however, I probably wouldn't spell it out if I used it in an article.
Point is, it is not a widely advertised thing and people still know what it is.
Or, to put it another way, something is widely known if the "man on the street" knows what it is. Which is clearly not the case with MSM. Clearly, only the "Man on the Blog" interpret MSM as meaning Mainstream Media..
Foxfyre wrote:I immediately recognized MSM when it was used and I certainly did not learn the term from Blogs.
Then you have to be one of the few.
You mentioned that it was used in memos in your office back in the eighties when everyone was listening to Hair Bands. Fine. Very possibly, your boss invented the word and applied it to the office. There is such a thing as independent invention-some Native American tribes apparently invented psychotherapy independent of Sigmund Freud. It happens.
However, there have been many bestselling books dealing with the media in the past 25 years or so, and if MSM was widely used, that info would have become known by now. Yet we do all sorts of serches for the term, and everytime a search comes back to a blog when it is applied to the media. If you used the term in your office back in the eighties, then it was no doubt local to that office or company alone. If it was more universal, it would show up in many more applications than blogs.
When it gets to the point that the Maastricht School of Management is higher up on the Google list than the first use of MSM meaning Mainstream Media, then it really is time for you guys to throw in the towel on this one.
Foxfyre wrote: I think MSM as Lash and JW used it is probably not frequently used purely because MSM is an acronym for so many different things...
Yes, but here is the point-the things that are
more popular uses of MSM are
not widely known either. The arthritis treatment is not known to the Man In The Street the way IBM, FBI or ICBM is. Morehouse School of Medicine? Metal Separated Meat? These are obscure references. Yet they are still ahead of MSM=Mainstream Media on the list. So clearly, MSM=Mainstream Media is even more obscure than the previously noted obscure references.
It's bad enough that Just Wonders tries to claim that a reference is widely used when it is obscure. But when it is not only obscure, but even more obscure than another reference, which itself is even more obscure than still another reference, which is itself more obscure than.....well, it's clear that claiming MSM=Mainstream Media is well-known is entirely hopeless.