Results! Election night'04 ... your armchair expert analysis

ebrown_p wrote:

OCCOM BILL wrote:

You have a funny way of showing respect.

What do you want? I accept that Bush will be the president for the next four years because of the votes of 51% of Americans.

I plan to excercise my right for dissent in the hope that maybe we can still affect change in our country. I would hope that you would do the same.

Do something inappropriate with the flag because I didn't get my way? No, that's not me Ebrown. I accept that you would be well within your rights to burn it, if you wanted to. You'd have to accept that it's within mine to be disgusted by it. Your avatar put a bad taste in my mouth so I said something. Deal with it.

Kickycan wrote:

Looks like it's over. Congratulations repubs, your man has won again.

Thanks Kicky. I appreciate you being decent about it.

Kerry actually lost ground as it went from 91% to 97% in Ohio. He should accept defeat with grace. Not 10,000 lawyers.

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willow_tl wrote:

Quote:
Oh sigh!!! I'm never going to sleep tonight.

I am right here with ya girlfriend [/quote

That's a relief Willow. I think it's going to be a long night. Hey, PM's are back :-D

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What's Edwards gonna say?

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There will be a tremendous amount of dissent and civil disobedience for 4 whole years if Bush is president. Especially if he reinstates the draft, which seems likely with the situation in the middle east so out of control... it'll probably wind up being the draft, or getting out with egg on our faces and all those precious lives lost to support a lie... unless we nuke the region... The draft or noocular attacks since I don't think Bush would see withdrawl as any sort of option. Crying or Very sad

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Montana wrote:

princesspupule wrote:
Montana wrote:
Ohio is still up for grabs, so anything can happen.

Yeah, but 97% of the precincts have reported and they are 51% for Bush... 49% for Kerry.

I know, but it's not written in stone ;-)

http://cache.corbis.com/education/images/marketing/contact/pic_1.jpg

there is always hope Montana! Very Happy

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willow_tl wrote:

Montana wrote:
princesspupule wrote:
Montana wrote:
Ohio is still up for grabs, so anything can happen.

Yeah, but 97% of the precincts have reported and they are 51% for Bush... 49% for Kerry.

I know, but it's not written in stone ;-)

there is always hope Montana!

Thanks for the big smile you just put on my face Willow :-D

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Ya know, O'Bill, 51% is hardly a landslide victory. To me it looks like a divided nation. I think if Bush wants "unity", then it might be an idea to not pursue policies & actions that alienate close to half the voting population. It works both ways.

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That is a great picture!!!!

Any chance of folk kind of trying to cool it a bit with each other for the next little while?

Hey - I will even smile for the Republicans!!!!

http://www.fsinet.or.jp/~sokaisha/rabbit/000806/kuchiaki.JPG

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Hee hee dlowan.

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Apparently you folks don't know about "provisonal ballots".

That's when someone does not show up as registered, or they run out of ballots, or something. They give you a copy of the ballot, you fill it out,and they examine it later.

This year, every state had to have provisional ballots. Ohio, however, has been using provisional ballots for over a decade. Florida did not have provisional ballots in 2000, (surprise, surprise).

In past elections, Ohio has validates 90% of the provisonal ballots. So this is no long shot-a provisonal vote is almost certain to count as a regular vote.

Ohio has the provisional ballot thing down pat. By law, in 11 days, Ohio commences counting the provisional votes.

There are some 250, 000 provisional votes out there, plus absentee ballots. Most absentee ballots are military and therefore Republican. But there are only a comparative few of them.

Right now, Bush is ahead by 125,000 votes in Ohio. So if 250,000 provisonal votes are allowed, then Kerry needs to win 162,500 votes out of the 250,000 votes to make up the shortfall.

Depending on where the provisional ballots are from, it can happen.

So don't get down on Gezzy. She's more clued in than you folks know.

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msolga wrote:

Ya know, O'Bill, 51% is hardly a landslide victory. To me it looks like a divided nation. I think if Bush wants "unity", then it might be an idea to not pursue policies & actions that alienate close to half the voting population. It works both ways.

2000 Election[/u]
George Walker Bush
Party: REPUBLICAN
Home State: PR: TX; VP: WY
Electoral Votes: 271
Pop. Vote: 50,461,092 (47.9%)

Albert Arnold Gore, Jr.
Party: DEMOCRATIC
Home State: PR: TN; VP: CT
Electoral Votes: 266
Pop. Vote: 50,994,086 (48.4%)

Ralph Nader
Party: GREEN
Home State: PR: DC; VP: MN
Electoral Votes: 0
Pop. Vote: 2,882,728 (2.7%)

1996 Election[/u]
William Jefferson Clinton
Party: DEMOCRATIC
Home State: PR: AR; VP: TN
Electoral Votes: 379
Pop. Vote: 47,401,898 (49.2%)

Robert Joseph Dole
Party: REPUBLICAN
Home State: PR: KS; VP: NY
Electoral Votes: 159
Pop. Vote: 39,198,482 (40.7%)

Henry Ross Perot
Party: REFORM
Home State: PR: TX; VP: CO?
Electoral Votes: 0
Pop. Vote: 8,085,373 (8.4%)

1992 Election[/u]
William Jefferson Clinton
Party: DEMOCRATIC
Home State: PR: AR; VP: TN
Electoral Votes: 370
Pop. Vote: 44,909,326 (43.0%)

George Herbert Walker Bush
Party: REPUBLICAN
Home State: PR: TX; VP: IN
Electoral Votes: 168
Pop. Vote: 39,103,882 (37.4%)

Henry Ross Perot
Party: INDEPENDENT
Home State: PR: TX; VP: IL
Electoral Votes: 0
Pop. Vote: 19,741,657 (18.9%)

You will notice that NONE of the candidates in the past 12 years have gotten over 50% of the popular vote.

I would say that President Bush's 51% is a clear indicator of the confidence of the voting public.

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Awright, goodnight (or, whatever) everyone ...

Don't do anything i wouldnt do while I'm away.

And dont fight with Bill either.

<winks>

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EEEEEEEEEK, Deb! Laughing

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kelticwizard wrote:

Apparently you folks don't know about "provisonal ballots".

That's when someone does not show up as registered, or they run out of ballots, or something. They give you a copy of the ballot, you fill it out,and they examine it later.

This year, every state had to have provisional ballots. Ohio, however, has been using provisional ballots for over a decade. Florida did not have provisional ballots in 2000, (surprise, surprise).

In past elections, Ohio has validates 90% of the provisonal ballots. So this is no long shot-a provisonal vote is almost certain to count as a regular vote.

Ohio has the provisional ballot thing down pat. By law, in 11 days, Ohio commences counting the provisional votes.

There are some 250, 000 provisional votes out there, plus absentee ballots. Most absentee ballots are military and therefore Republican. But there are only a comparative few of them.

Right now, Bush is ahead by 125,000 votes in Ohio. So if 250,000 provisonal votes are allowed, then Kerry needs to win 162,500 votes out of the 250,000 votes to make up the shortfall.

Depending on where the provisional ballots are from, it can happen.

So don't get down on Gezzy. She's more clued in than you folks know.

Thank you very much Very Happy

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Dan Rather is getting very excited -breathless almost - because Kerry won Hawaii.

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And Keltic could of course still be right.

I'd say everyone should just cool down and wait till the votes are counted. So, you dont get a concession speech the very same night. In Bill's words, "deal with it". The day or two (or three, or hell, ten) delay wont kill you, and there'll still be four years afterwards to "come together" ... God and GWB willing.

byebye!

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msolga wrote:

Ya know, O'Bill, 51% is hardly a landslide victory. To me it looks like a divided nation. I think if Bush wants "unity", then it might be an idea to not pursue policies & actions that alienate close to half the voting population. It works both ways.

That's actually a higher percentage than he won last time. And more than Bill Clinton won either time. We haven't had a truly decisive winner since Reagan. Close races don't prove positives or negatives about candidates.

Oops, I see Fedral beat me to it.

Bill's tired of fighting. Good Night everyone.

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Yeah our 4 paltry votes. Twisted Evil

I am actually finding some satisfaction because the new haole republican neighbors told me earlier that their 2 votes discounted mine and my friend's (the one with the kissin' cousin candidate factoid.) Of course, it means we won the battle, but seem to have still lost the war... Evil or Very Mad

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kelticwizard wrote:

Apparently you folks don't know about "provisonal ballots".

That's when someone does not show up as registered, or they run out of ballots, or something. They give you a copy of the ballot, you fill it out,and they examine it later.

This year, every state had to have provisional ballots. Ohio, however, has been using provisional ballots for over a decade. Florida did not have provisional ballots in 2000, (surprise, surprise).

In past elections, Ohio has validates 90% of the provisonal ballots. So this is no long shot-a provisonal vote is almost certain to count as a regular vote.

Ohio has the provisional ballot thing down pat. By law, in 11 days, Ohio commences counting the provisional votes.

There are some 250, 000 provisional votes out there, plus absentee ballots. Most absentee ballots are military and therefore Republican. But there are only a comparative few of them.

Right now, Bush is ahead by 125,000 votes in Ohio. So if 250,000 provisonal votes are allowed, then Kerry needs to win 162,500 votes out of the 250,000 votes to make up the shortfall.

Depending on where the provisional ballots are from, it can happen.

So don't get down on Montana. She's more clued in than you folks know.

Bush has 125,000 vote lead in Ohio. I'm hearing there are only 130,000 provisional ballots there. But even if there are 250,000, Kerry would need to win 76% of them to pull ahead. Unlikely.

And that's not taking the absentee ballots, which favor Bush, into consideration.

Oh well. I can wait another day. (or two.)

I'm hitting the hay. Nite.

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Montana wrote:

kelticwizard wrote:
Apparently you folks don't know about "provisonal ballots".

That's when someone does not show up as registered, or they run out of ballots, or something. They give you a copy of the ballot, you fill it out,and they examine it later.

This year, every state had to have provisional ballots. Ohio, however, has been using provisional ballots for over a decade. Florida did not have provisional ballots in 2000, (surprise, surprise).

In past elections, Ohio has validates 90% of the provisonal ballots. So this is no long shot-a provisonal vote is almost certain to count as a regular vote.

Ohio has the provisional ballot thing down pat. By law, in 11 days, Ohio commences counting the provisional votes.

There are some 250, 000 provisional votes out there, plus absentee ballots. Most absentee ballots are military and therefore Republican. But there are only a comparative few of them.

Right now, Bush is ahead by 125,000 votes in Ohio. So if 250,000 provisonal votes are allowed, then Kerry needs to win 162,500 votes out of the 250,000 votes to make up the shortfall.

Depending on where the provisional ballots are from, it can happen.

So don't get down on Gezzy. She's more clued in than you folks know.

Thank you very much

But the provisional votes are discounted if the original is not disproven. Not if the provisional one is correct, only if the other one is negated/disproven. So, the work involved means that many of them aren't counted...

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