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Bush Foresaw 0 war casualties

 
 
au1929
 
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Reply Tue 26 Oct, 2004 09:10 am
Armyvet35
You has better check your figures regarding the wounded. 27000 was the last reported number for wounded. As for some being noncombatant, how many would have occurred if they were not in the war zone of Iraq. I would further ask assuming your numbers to be correct are they not sufficient in number to be concerned about or as Bush puts it in the no war casualties column of the ledger.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Tue 26 Oct, 2004 09:14 am
Armyvet: I enjoy your comments. They would be easier to follow if you used the "Quote" function. To do this, copy the text you want to quote into your new messge, then highlight the text, then hit the "Quote" button above your message window. That will automatically quote whatever you have highlighted.

Then, if you want to get really fancy, you can edit the tag that is inserted by adding "=NAME" after the word "quote" in the first tag, replacing "NAME" with the username of whomever you are quoting.

:wink:
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panzade
 
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Reply Tue 26 Oct, 2004 09:20 am
Good point Tico; although ArmyV is a lucid poster, she's been struggling with the mechanics of the quote function. All in good time
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panzade
 
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Reply Tue 26 Oct, 2004 09:24 am
I almost forgot....

:wink:
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Dookiestix
 
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Reply Tue 26 Oct, 2004 09:43 am
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People voted for clinton based on that info as well...


Yes, they did. But they also knew EXACTLY what Clinton did when he avoided the draft.

The same cannot be said for Bush, who STILL can't account for his time missing in the NG, why he missed it, why he was grounded, and why he was allowed to go work on a campaign.
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princesspupule
 
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Reply Tue 26 Oct, 2004 10:59 am
Finn d'Abuzz wrote:
princesspupule wrote:
So, we are supposed to accept that our president doesn't understand the meaning of the word, "casualty?" Shocked What, are Frank and I the only 2 uncomfortable that our president is an idiot??? http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=casualty
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ca·su·al·ty ( P ) Pronunciation Key (kzh-l-t)
n. pl. ca·su·al·ties
An accident, especially one involving serious injury or loss of life.
One injured or killed in an accident: a train wreck with many casualties.
One injured, killed, captured, or missing in action through engagement with an enemy. Often used in the plural: Battlefield casualties were high.
One that is harmed or eliminated as a result of an action or a circumstance: The corner grocery was a casualty of the expanding supermarkets.


Either Bush misused the word in a sentence (which is possible) or he actually believes b.s. Shocked Or Robertson is telling a story which makes the president appear to be delusional or an idiot. Shocked Either seems equally likely... I hope to God you guys are wrong about Bush not understanding how to use the word in a conversation. I am truly hoping Robertson misremembers the conversation... I can find no comfort in our president not understanding what a "casualty" is. Shocked


Still at it I see.

I'm sorry, but I sincerely doubt that you are truly hoping that there is a reasonable alternative explanation. If you were, you would have no problem accepting one, rather than continuing to even consider the most far fetched of alternatives.

Let me make one last attempt:

Two scenarios:

Scenario One:

Pat Robertson visits the Oval Office and implores the president not to invade Iraq because of the likelihood of there being tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of casualties.

The president assures Robertson that there will not be casualties to the extent he fears, and gives him a primer on how a modern war in Iraq will be waged, and why it is reasonable to expect relatively low levels of American casualties.

Pat Robertson either because he honestly misunderstood what the president said or because he is an attention grabbing nut contended that the president told him there would be no casualties.

Scenario Two:

Pat Robertson visits the Oval Office and implores the president not to invade Iraq because of the likelihood of there being tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of casualties.

The president assures Robertson that there will not be a single American casualty. Why? Because he believes God will watch over all American soldiers, or that shock and awe will have the Iraqis surrendering after the first engagement, or because he considers a casualty to be only someone who dies in an unjust war, and therefore, by definition, there will be no casualties in this war, or simply because he is insane.

Pat Robinson goes on TV and recounts the conversation, exactly as it happened.

Take your pick as to which is the more likely scenario.

If you choose two, then I would suggest that your way of thinking is quite similar to those who believe that if John Kerry is elected to the presidency, he will surrender America to the UN on the day after his inauguration. I'm sure such people hope that won't be the case.


Finn, God bless ya and yer blarney good enough to deserve such a fine irish name as "Finn." Laughing I swear, reading your posts sometimes is as good as bubbles at the top of a stout beer! Laughing

I'm more inclined to believe scenario 1
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Scenario One:

Pat Robertson visits the Oval Office and implores the president not to invade Iraq because of the likelihood of there being tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of casualties.

The president assures Robertson that there will not be casualties to the extent he fears, and gives him a primer on how a modern war in Iraq will be waged, and why it is reasonable to expect relatively low levels of American casualties.

Pat Robertson either because he honestly misunderstood what the president said or because he is an attention grabbing nut contended that the president told him there would be no casualties.


Except rather than Robertson misunderstanding Bush, Bush misunderstands that "casualties" refers to deaths, thinks of "casualties as meaning "deaths by accident," or some such similar meaning... After all, he is on record in the recent debates describing his policy which chops down forests and sells it for lumber as "taking care of" the national forests... Rolling Eyes... and out stumping in Florida he came out and said, "We will not have an all-volunteer army!" And in Colorado, "See, I have a different philosophy. I'm a compassionate conservative. I think government ought to help people realize their dreams, not tell them how to live their lives," except when it comes to family planning and who they can marry... Rolling Eyes I think it's entirely possible Bush said something he didn't mean, but that Robertson didn't ask Bush for clarification... Rolling Eyes and jumped to another conclusion of what was meant in their exchange... Idea There are just too many recorded accounts of shrubbishness coming from the presidents mouth for us to discount that as the possible reason for the misunderstanding. :wink:
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blacksmithn
 
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Reply Tue 26 Oct, 2004 11:16 am
Okay... So it's fine to lie about the need for war (or to rely on intelligence purportedly justifying said war whose dubious nature is known to you, but not to your target audience), as long as your sales pitch is effective enough to dupe sufficient numbers of members of Congress and of the general populace. And casualties brought about by this needless war are okay too, as long as they're the "right" number, i.e., insufficient to rouse much resentment amongst the constituents who you hope to induce to vote you back into office.

Cowardice is Courage... Incompetence is Competence... Lies are Truth... War is Peace...
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panzade
 
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Reply Tue 26 Oct, 2004 11:41 am
My problem with the conservative posts is the niggling over casualty numbers and the outright deletion of the 15,000 Iraqi casualties...they must not be casualties but "collateral damage"
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Tue 26 Oct, 2004 11:49 am
Kerry wanted to forget them as well when figuring the casualty rate.
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princesspupule
 
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Reply Tue 26 Oct, 2004 01:10 pm
Armyvet35 wrote:
And this, whether he did or not, in your mind negates or excuses all the lies that come out of this administration. Let me remind you that there have been well over a thousand US service people killed, 27000 grievously wounded, Untold number of Iraqi's killed and wounded in the Bush caused Iraqi quagmire. All based on the lies and incompetence of the Bush administration. And all you can come up with is Kerry lied about speaking to all 15 members of the UN. Sorry your scale is out of balance it is in dire need of adjustment.


789 combat deaths and 357 non combat related deaths(how can someone be blamed for having a heart attck or suicide, or training accident, or maybe even a tire falling on them? which happened to 4 people changing tires on their trucks)

As for wounded soldiers?

8,016 Total wounded

Break down of that?
4,490 NON COMBAT
7,726 Ilness and medical conditions (pregnancy, heart problems, disease)
1639 COMBAT

Those figures are from DoD casualty report as of 30 SEPT 2004

27,000 figure of those wounded are over inflated by a good 18,000.

Republicans and demopcrats voted for use of force looking at the same intel reports. Dems supported this years prior to doing it and COngress voted AYE, including John Kerry.

So tell me again how you are blaming the Bush Admin when there were alot more people involved, namely our congress?

And why pump up us casualty reports and the wounded? Why not fact base that as well....

Then try to come back and say all these highly educated seasoned congressmen and women were duped... had the war been cut and dry and over quick you all would let those same people bashing it take credit for it Smile Go figure... you may accept the democratic party ytrying to wash their equally bloodstained hands of this war... I dont... I hold them equally responsible...


Armyvet35, are noncombat deaths not also casualties? And if they happen in a region at war with people only there to fight that war, are they not war-related casualties??? Why on earth would you think they aren't war-related casualties??? Confused

And democrats voted to use force based upon documants + the leader of our country's assumed veracity in reporting the facts as he knew them. How were democrats to know that the facts would be reported the way Bush's gut told him to report them? Confused
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sozobe
 
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Reply Tue 26 Oct, 2004 01:21 pm
You mean when Kerry was talking about what percentage of coalition casualties the U.S. has borne, McG?
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Tue 26 Oct, 2004 01:28 pm
I believe he used the term "allied casualties", but I could be wrong...
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Tue 26 Oct, 2004 01:52 pm
Kerry was saying that the United States is bearing the brunt of both coalition costs and coalition casualties.

He was, rightfully so, laughing at the notion that this is a true "coalition."

The war in Iraq is an American undertaking...with a bit of Hollywood-type staging trying to give it an international flavor. In fact, it can be argued that it is not even an "American undertaking"...because at its core, it is the undertaking of George Bush and a handful of his evil handlers.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 26 Oct, 2004 01:58 pm
Absolutely, Frank.

Hear hear.

Cycloptichorn
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revel
 
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Reply Tue 26 Oct, 2004 07:41 pm
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a handful of his evil handlers.


Smile

You got a flair for describing these guys.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Tue 26 Oct, 2004 07:54 pm
http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/graphics/bush_dummyact.gif
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panzade
 
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Reply Tue 26 Oct, 2004 08:37 pm
that doesn't make sense edgar
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Tue 26 Oct, 2004 09:02 pm
revel wrote:
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a handful of his evil handlers.


Smile

You got a flair for describing these guys.


You mean the real Axis of Evil?
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Tue 26 Oct, 2004 09:02 pm
I don't make 'em, I just post 'em.
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panzade
 
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Reply Tue 26 Oct, 2004 09:03 pm
ahhh...the Nurenberg defense!
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