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Oh. From the way you talked I thought you knew who it was instead of the terrorists who flew airplanes in the towers.

It was already clear. Thus my answer to it.



So what?

The people of Hiroshima and Nagasaki had little to do with the atrocities that WWII Japan was inflicting on the world.

Hiroshima and Nagasaki were still legitimate military targets.

In my view they are as valuable.

Not really. If anyone is still confused over who was responsible for 9/11, that would be a job for remedial history educators.

McGentrix: Oh. From the way you talked I thought you knew who it was instead of the terrorists who flew airplanes in the towers.
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I don't know who it was. That is something that remains to be discovered by a real investigation.

But let's assume for a moment that the official story about 19 Arab hijackers is true. They flew jets into WTCs 1 & 2.

That has nothing to do with the fact that that, or they had anything to do with the collapse of WTCs 1, 2 & 7.

1. The only fuel the alleged hijackers brought to those two towers was jet fuel. Correct?

2. Then, office furnishings were added to the mix. All this combined fuel burned at low temperatures. Correct?

3. Those temperatures were measured by NIST and other independent scientists for the twin towers. These temperatures could not have ever reached temperatures high enough to melt steel, to vaporize lead, to vaporize steel, to melt molybdenum, and yet there were these molten metals.

Melting points F
steel 2600-2800 F
molybdenum 4750 F

Jet fuel and office furnishing cannot do this. That means that there was some other fuel source there that had no legitimate business being there. The alleged hijackers didn't bring it, but someone had to.

NIST does not report or discuss any temperatures that would have come anywhere close to those necessary to either melt or vaporize steel or melt molybdenum.

Why wouldn't NIST do this when there is so much evidence of molten metals?

4. There were numerous reports of molten metals at all WTC sites.

FEMA described steel columns/beams that had been vaporized for WTC 1 or 2 and for WTC7. That requires temperatures much above the melting point of steel.

https://www.fema.gov/pdf/library/fema403_apc.pdf

A New York Times reporter quoting one of the FEMA scientists; "“[S]teel – which has a melting point of 2,800 degrees Fahrenheit [1538°C] – may weaken and bend, but does not melt during an ordinary office fire.

http://www.consensus911.org/point-tt-6/

Molten metal poured from WTC2 minutes before it collapsed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxXdI4hLWkE

5. WTC7 was not hit by an airplane yet it collapsed at free fall speed at around 5:20PM on the same day.

NIST itself, described that free fall scenario which illustrates that the alleged hijackers did not bring down WTC7.

There is no way known to man to cause a building to come down at free fall speed except for a controlled demolition. The alleged hijackers had absolutely no way to have set up a controlled demolition.

But in WTC7 too, as mentioned above, vaporized steel was found. Jet fuel and office furnishing cannot reach anywhere close to the needed temperatures. Some other fuel source capable of vaporizing steel, of melting molybdenum [4750F] was needed.

The hijackers could not have provided such fuel sources. Someone else had to. Why? Because they were these molten metals that were in evidence and that require temperatures much higher than the temperatures that could have been reached with jet fuel/office furnishings.

6. There is currently a full engineering study taking place at the University of Fairbanks - Alaska on WTC7. The final results are due out in May 2017.

The study is being done by Dr. Leroy Hulsey, a professor at the University of Alaska Fairbanks (UAF) and the chair of UAF’s Department of Civil and Environmental Engineering.

Dr Hulsey did computer simulations that went far towards trying to support the ideas of NIST. In other words, he erred repeatedly on the side of NIST.

When asked by the panel of attorneys, “On a scale of 1 to 100, how probable do you think it is that this building [WTC7] could have collapsed simply because of the fire?” Dr. Hulsey stated categorically, “Zero.”

Asked if he would flunk one of his Ph.D. students for turning in the kind of analysis that NIST did, he replied emphatically, “Yes.”

7. Take a look at NIST's computer simulation of the collapse and the real life videos of the collapse, and you will understand what he means. They ought to have a resemblance to each other. There is no resemblance.

Actual video of WTC 7 destruction undermines NIST computer simulation

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmdcMb5D9gM

Read the post below yours to see who it is a job for.

Good grief.

I did.

As I said, good grief.

Who told you that there were these molten/vaporized metals?

Whoever it was, don't listen to them anymore.

Was it the same person who told you that you should dislike Trump?

Note: The fact that I saw fit to post reality at you regarding this specific point should not be taken as meaning that I am inclined to extensively debate your conspiracy gibberish.

Oralloy: Who told you that there were these molten/vaporized metals?

Had you not been so afraid to read the material, which you now illustrate is your operating procedure, you would have seen that it was FEMA, the Federal Emergency Management Agency.

Here is the link again, so you can see the vaporized steel,

https://www.fema.gov/pdf/library/fema403_apc.pdf

There were in fact pictures of vaporized steel as described by FEMA for WTC 7 and either WTC 1 or 2.

There was also a video that showed molten metal pouring from WTC2 minutes before its collapse that you have ignored. I wonder why.

WTC2 South Tower on 9/11 Molten Metal North-East Corner

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmuzyWC60eE

The temperatures needed to create these molten metals show, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that the alleged hijackers were not responsible for bringing down the three towers.

You also ignored the fact that NIST's study had a ZERO chance of being true, evidenced by their computer simulation which doesn't match reality.

The churches would have fewer members and less money. Therefore its evil to decrease the population.

Do you feel that it is a good thing for religious folk, for anyone, to bear false witness against others?

Of the 19 men accused of the 9/11 terrorist attack none were afghan.

Why do you feel such a need to defend him, Finn? I have no problem with being called a loser... but then again I am not leader of the free world.

Trump asked for the job of president, which puts him in the spotlight. He has the responsibility to act professionally, and with dignity. And when he screws something up, or acts childishly or tells blatant lies or makes ridiculous tweets when he is scheduled for security briefings or shows gross misunderstanding of foreign policy that he has to take back... he is going to get ridiculed for it.

He is a buffoon, and a buffoon with a high profile, stressful very important job. The tribal nonsense is you defending him.

Have you broken our law Finn? I have.

Are you really looking for an intelligent conversation about immigration, or are you just sniping? If you are looking for an intelligent conversation... I might just put some thought into holding up my end of one.

I would start by pointing out that there are several issues at play.

Another conspiracy theorist huh? Well at least now I know not to pay to much attention to your posts.

Which others?

Didn't the US government describe a conspiracy theory? Yes, they most surely did, but the science doesn't support their conspiracy theory.

I'm just a person who follows science. And the science is very clear. Have you read about the molten metals that were found at all WTC sites? Have you see the molten steel or iron flowing from WTC2 in the minutes before it collapsed?

Those molten metals mean that the alleged hijackers could not have caused the collapse of the three towers.

The fact that WTC7 fell at free fall speed for its first 2.25 seconds tells us that it was a controlled demolition. NIST has described and admitted that that is the scenario that took place.

Well, as you have already mentioned, the Afghan people. Then there are the Iraqis. Then there are the alleged 911 hijackers.

I was a steelworker and I can guarantee you a wood fire abetted by aviation fuel will melt Iron or at least make it so soft it will collapse. But this subject has already been discussed on another thread. I am not going their again.