Sanctuary cities start to cave

If you speed, you get a ticket.
If you steal a lot of stuff, you go to jail.
If you sell a bunch of heroin, you go to jail.
If you cross the border illegally, you get deported.

Did you see the bit where that lady that was recently arrested had used a fake ID and had voted in last 5 elections?

But illegals don't vote, right?

The question was: Are you looking for an intelligent discussion on this topic? I am not interested in another closed-inded griping session. I will explain the argument toward treated immigrants with compassion for you if you would like.

I can explain this to you if you would like. It is going to come down to a difference of opinion on what the penalty for breaking immigration law should be.

If you are interested in an intelligent discussion, we will start with the observation that the penalty for speeding (a ticket) is different than the penalty for stealing "stuff" (jail). If we wanted to prevent people from speeding, we could put them in jail (that would likely prevent me from doing it)... or we could take away their license permanently.

We don't do that because of the social and political consequences that such a policy would have. We don't shoot people for stealing stuff, and their is currently a discussion of how to treat rather than punish people who use heroine (yeah... I know using is different than selling... but the point is that these issues are a lot more complicated than you are pretending they are).

Thinking about this requires a little more depth of thought.

Are you interested in an intelligent discussion?

If it were not for your offensive tendency to cast aspersions on other posters, I would have addressed your post a little bit more.

Texas state law specifically states that it is lawful to lie in wait and shoot a fleeing thief in the back in order to prevent the loss of property.

It even specifies that it is lawful to be a good neighbor and do this in order to protect someone else's property.

Although, I didn't double check before posting to see if they have recently changed this law. I think that it is safe to assume that they have no intention of changing it.

Mr. Trump is doing an outstanding job. Did you see the vote in the Senate yesterday rolling back that outrageous violation of the Second Amendment that Barack Obama was perpetrating?

I was a steelworker and I can guarantee you a wood fire abetted by aviation fuel will melt Iron or at least make it so soft it will collapse.
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It is simply not possible for a wood fire with added jet fuel to melt steel or iron both of which have about the same melting temperatures.

Have you ever seen a wood stove melt or even deform into a shapeless mass? Have you ever seen a Vozelzang barrel stove melt?

1535ºC (2795ºF) - melting point of iron
~1510ºC (2750ºF) - melting point of typical structural steel
~825ºC (1517ºF) - maximum temperature of hydrocarbon fires burning in the atmosphere without pressurization or pre-heating (premixed fuel and air - blue flame)
-Jim Hoffman
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Steel frame towers don't collapse at free fall speed. WTC7 did. NIST has admitted that their story can't be true because free fall cannot occur without a controlled demolition.

In fact, steel frame towers have never collapsed except for the three on 911, even when the fires were much much hotter for much much longer.

No one would ever suggest that the alleged hijackers could have done a controlled demolition and yet that is the only thing that can account for the molten steel, iron, molybdenum and the free fall of WTC7.

You still have not addressed the vaporized steel described by FEMA, a US government organization.

The molten metals mean that the alleged hijackers did not cause the collapse of WTCs1. 2 and 7.

The alleged hijackers did not come within two football fields distance of WTC 7.

The alleged hijackers had no fuel that could have melted all these metals.

Do you think it a good thing to falsely accuse people of things that it wasn't possible for them to have done?

Why are people arguing about guns and airplane fuel on a thread about Sanctuary cities?

I don't think it is very difficult to see what the issue is about. It's about a group of people that have been falsely accused by the US of doing something that science shows they had no chance of doing.

It is exactly about what this thread is about, stopping the nonsense about there being a threat to the US from immigrants from certain countries.

It is about why there should be sanctuary cities and there should be honest people willing to discuss those science issues that have had a tremendous effect on migrants, refugees, immigrants and US citizens, who are suffering greatly from the lies about their ancestors and relatives.

Because I discovered that Camlock was one of those people...

One of what people? Those who are willing to discuss science.

The fact that no one will actually address these issues is very telling. Everything is on the table according to western thought and ideals.

The facts are there - there were numerous examples of molten metals, described by the New York Times, FEMA, a US government agency, NIST, also a US government agency which described WTC7 falling at free fall speed for the first 2.25 seconds of its collapse.

Molten steel, iron and molybdenum mean that the alleged hijackers did not cause the collapse of WTCs 1, 2 or 7.

Under what circumstances is it possible for free fall to happen from the initiation of a collapse when all the structural steel that had held that building up since 1987 was still there?

Why don't you ignore him. It isn't worth arguing about.

I would like to have an intelligent discussion about the topic of this thread. Are you up for it?

Millions of people falsely accused, millions more killed because of those false accusations, hundreds of millions being accused thru guilt by religion, ethnicity, country and you suggest it isn't worth discussing?

Yep, another 9-11 Truther. Have fun Camlok.

Can you, Baldimo, can anyone, explain to me why no one will discuss the molten metals described by the US government, US government organizations, FEMA and the USGS, for two, by reputable US engineering firms, with videos and pictures confirming their presence?

The New York Times describes the molten metals, numerous scientists describe the molten metals, the molten metals are fact, easily proven fact.

We really all know why. But this isn't supposed to happen in western society, the descendants of the Age of Enlightenment, where "ideas centered on reason as the primary source of authority and legitimacy".

Donald Trump, on 9-11, describes his belief that explosives were involved in taking down the towers.

DONALD TRUMP ON 9/11 TRUTH (WATCH THIS BEFORE VOTING)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSSwXvsEX_c

Please.

You called the guy a "loser" and now you're trying to get high and mighty?

Do you want to have an intelligent conversation?

Yes I do. And if it will help, I will abide by your rule of not calling Trump names. Are you game?[

Finn: Do you want to have an intelligent conversation?

Max: Yes I do. And if it will help, I will abide by your rule of not calling Trump names. Are you game?[
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Let's do try to have an intelligent conversation. Dems and Repubs coming together to sort these thorny issues out.

Why is there even any issue to begin with? America has always been pretty much open as regards immigration. It all boils down to one thing, 9-11-2001.

As we now can see from the science, 19 Arab men have been falsely accused of at least one major issue, causing the collapse of WTCs 1, 2 and 7, and of course had they actually done that you could make a very good case that they were/are responsible for the deaths of roughly 3,000 people and of course the destruction of the other WTC buildings and surrounding buildings.

Have you noticed that there is never any outrage about the German Deutsche Bank building being destroyed? Odd, isn't it?

Okay, but the truth of the matter is, and I have wondered how the significance of this has escaped so many, the alleged hijackers did not, could not have brought down the three towers. You've all seen the evidence illustrating that impossibility, which, I sure you agree, is overwhelming.

Consider the implications. Consider what the US, the UK, Australia, Canada, ... has done to so many people and so many countries all based on a gigantic lie.

That lie is what is fueling this anti-immigrant wave, that lie is what is fueling the hatred against Muslims and Islam.

Is calling Trump names really at all important in the scheme of this issue? Considering the gravity of this lie and its consequences, there are a number of world leaders that should be called some pretty foul names.

So, let's all have a frank and open discussion. That's how this can all be fixed.

I tried for an intelligent discussion on the topic, but I got no serious takers.

But let the record show, I tried.