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Sinclair Broadcasting Group Poised to Break Election Laws

 
 
McGentrix
 
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Reply Tue 12 Oct, 2004 04:53 pm
Dookiestix wrote:
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It is a proven fact that these bogus AWOL charges have not effected Bush's electability.


But they are having an effect on his RE-electability.


Let's take a look at these shall we?



An opinion based on what Killian told another pilots wife at a dinner party... Hmmmm... damning evidence for sure!



Two paragraphs and a subscription requirement concerning Bush's released records. No AWOL evidence there either. Hmmmm.... Maybe the next one will be the missing link!



Nope just this:

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Texans for Truth, an organization from Bush's home state, believe time has come for America to learn the truth about Bush's shadowy past.

Texans for Truth was established by Glenn W. Smith, also the Director of the 20,000-member Texas online activist group, DriveDemocracy.org.


Doesn't say much except that they don't like Bush. Not one speck of evidence proving Bush was AWOL. Imagine that. An entire organization with the sole goal of proving Bush's "shadowy past" and not one bit of evidence. Huh.

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Oh, the hypocrisy of it all.


Couldn't agree more!
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Tue 12 Oct, 2004 05:36 pm
Dookiestix wrote:


[That last quote is the funniest, really, because we now have the Swift Boat and POW Vets desperately trying to stop John Kerry's momentum in the final stretch, and there is NO other reason for doing this other than Bush's inability to shed his campaign of these AWOL charges.

I though you knew politics better than that? I must've been sorely mistaken...


I'll leave you to your opinions. On these matters you appear to have the ultimate weapons for such a forum - profound ignorance of war and the context for the events under discussion; enormous energy and reserves of time for finding supporting propaganda; and a very closed mind.
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Dookiestix
 
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Reply Tue 12 Oct, 2004 05:42 pm
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I'll leave you to your opinions. On these matters you appear to have the ultimate weapons for such a forum - profound ignorance of war and the context for the events under discussion; enormous energy and reserves of time for finding supporting propaganda; and a very closed mind.


And I will leave you to your opinion, regardless of how ill-informed and ignorant it sounds. But how about offering some links to counter my "propaganda" as you call it. Besides, it doesn't take "enormous" energy and "reserves of time," because there's so much out there, and I'm a PC/MAC poweruser, so I get a lot done during the course of the day.

I only base my opinion on your presumptiveness in the last post.
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Dookiestix
 
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Reply Tue 12 Oct, 2004 05:54 pm
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Doesn't say much except that they don't like Bush. Not one speck of evidence proving Bush was AWOL. Imagine that. An entire organization with the sole goal of proving Bush's "shadowy past" and not one bit of evidence. Huh.


Ah, now yer gettin' it. They don't have to. There's already plenty of evidence out there. But they can certainly discuss what HE is now doing to the National Guard, and how his own experiences don't seem to be much of a qualifier for his current role as a war, er, peace president.

They also don't have to because it's pretty widely known that Bush got preferential treatment in the National Guard, and that our sons and daughters are fighting a war for a small group of rich people who's sons and daughters can afford to avoid such wars, even during the time of the draft for Vietnam. Imagine if regular soldiers in Iraq missed out on drills, or refused to take a medical test after being ordered, and then got summarily grounded from flying, only to split for a while and work on somebody's campaign. Boy, that's real patriotic, ain't it?

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"I am angry that so many of the sons of the powerful and well-placed... managed to wangle slots in Reserve and National Guard units...Of the many tragedies of Vietnam, this raw class discrimination strikes me as the most damaging to the ideal that all Americans are created equal and owe equal allegiance to their country."

(Colin Powell's autobiography, My American Journey, p. 148)


This is why Bush's role in the National Guard is still quite relevant, ESPECIALLY when another rich, white boy from Massachusetts actually WENT to Vietnam and fought in an unjust war, only to come back and testify of what truly happened over there.
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Tue 12 Oct, 2004 07:24 pm
Sundance channel has been running anti-Bush "documentaries" for the last couple of hours.
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Tue 12 Oct, 2004 08:26 pm
OCCOM BILL wrote:
Sundance channel has been running anti-Bush "documentaries" for the last couple of hours.


You mean PBS (WDNC)?
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squinney
 
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Reply Tue 12 Oct, 2004 08:28 pm
Sundance is cable, not public tv. It is in the upper channels of my cable system.
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Tue 12 Oct, 2004 08:50 pm
gungasnake wrote:
You mean PBS (WDNC)?

Nope, Sundance Channel. Click here.

The program I watched was "The President Vs. David Hicks"... a "documentary" about... well here:

Whoever writes this kind of stuff wrote:
THE PRESIDENT VERSUS DAVID HICKS

directed by Curtis Levy

YEAR
2004

81 MINS, Color

The father of a young Australian who embraced fundamentalist Muslim ideals, and came to be labeled a "unlawful combatant" by President Bush, retraces his son's journey from Adelaide to Guantánamo Bay in this compelling documentary by Curtis Levy. With excerpts from letters to family and friends and interviews with a former Guantánamo detainee and a Northern Alliance commander, this disturbing and thought-provoking film contemplates the transformation of a naïve horse trainer and rodeo rider into an anti-Semitic acolyte. TV14 (AC, AL)


It was definitely slanted against Bush, but it was as unconvincing as it was slanted. David Hicks, IMO, is very fortunate to have not found his way in front of a firing squad.

Edit= added link
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Wed 13 Oct, 2004 12:39 am
Dookie, just fyi, no one is ordered to take a flight medical. A current flight med certificate is required only if one is going to fly. A flight med is wholly elective, simply one among many requirements of flying, and by regulation is to be accomplished within a 90 day time widow which ends on the last day of the aniversary month of one's enlistment date. The first day of the month following, the previous enlistment year's flight med cert expires. Its automatic; no orders are involved. The absence of a current flight med cert will resuly in an order removing the srevice member from flight status. Flying is elective duty, which affords a pay rate premium. While certified and otherwise qualified, one may be ordered to fly, but one cannot be ordered to meet any of the flight-duty-specific qualifications. One either satisfies the requirements, all of them, or one doesn't. If one doesn't, one is not flight duty certified, and gives up flight pay. The order removing one from flight status is a paymaster matter. Fonts, kerning, wordwrap, superscripts, centering and whatever else aside, the reference to an order to take a flight medical period, let alone, contrary to regulations, to do so by or before a date not the last day of the service member's enlistment anniversary month is enough of a red flag to alert anyone familiar with military procedure relevant to flight status that a serious credibility problem exists regarding the document referencing such a thing. It simply would not happen.
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squinney
 
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Reply Thu 14 Oct, 2004 01:16 pm
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Thu 14 Oct, 2004 01:23 pm
One of the guys working for a plumbing company that works for Jadoo is a cousin of Mark David Chapman.

The Sinclair Group killed John Lennon!!!
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squinney
 
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Reply Thu 14 Oct, 2004 01:24 pm
You're a real brain, McG. Try reading the info provided.
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Dookiestix
 
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Reply Thu 14 Oct, 2004 01:31 pm
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You're a real brain, McG. Try reading the info provided.


Don't count on it, squinney. He rarely does.
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Thu 14 Oct, 2004 04:07 pm
Absolutely no law will be boken by Sinclair's airing of "Stolen Honor". No one is being forced to watch what Sinclair (and now, a growing number of non-affilliated stations) will broadcast during the Oct 21-24 prime-time viewing hours, or at any other time, just as no one is forced to watch F-9/11 or Spongebob Squarepants or The Home Shopping Network. The official position of the FCC in this matter is that it is not an FCC issue.

The second regulatory avenue of attempted free-speech repression pursued by The Democrats, that the broadcast would constitute an illegal gift to the Republican candidate, will get similarly short shrift in that A) no transfer of tangible assets will occur, B) the film is neither sponsored nor endorsed by either of the candidates or their campaigns, and C) the film does not address, pro or con, the campaign of either candidate. Just as there is no basis on which the FCC might act, there is no basis on which the FEC might act.

The third avenue of attempted free-speech repression being employed by The Democrats, the harrassment and threats of boycott against stations and advertisers offers not only at best limited and localized success if even that, but demonstrates a clear contempt for the very principle of free speech. The way free speech works, despite The Democrats' perception, is that one may say what one wishes to say, just as one may choose whether to listen to what others say. By their protestations, all The Democrats are accomplishing is to build interest in the broadcast, thus assuring a broader viewership than otherwise would be realized.

Boy, talk about "Not Getting It". Sheesh.

Oh, well ... cool. Thanks, Democrats, you're doin' a great job. Keep it up.

http://www.able2know.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10156/quitdigging.jpg
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Thu 14 Oct, 2004 04:12 pm
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Dookiestix
 
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Reply Thu 14 Oct, 2004 04:13 pm
Hey, this picture totally reminds me of Bush's Iraq policies...

http://www.able2know.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10156/quitdigging.jpg

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blueveinedthrobber
 
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Reply Thu 14 Oct, 2004 05:06 pm
squinney wrote:
You're a real brain, McG. Try reading the info provided.


See McGentrix...the whole Bear family holds you in high regard Laughing Laughing Laughing
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Thu 14 Oct, 2004 05:14 pm
In so far as the pussy-footin' around and tryin' not to upset "other interests", thereby puttin' our troops at greater risk and providin' lower opportunity cost for the insurgent's activities, I sorta agree with ya on that point, Dookie. You don't talk with terrorists and insurgents, mindful of their sensibilities and special needs, and the opinions of those who favor, or at least don't condemn 'em; you hunt 'em down, root 'em out, and destroy 'em at the least possible cost to your own forces over the shortest timeframe achievable. I'm good with avoidin' collateral damage and ancillary civilian casualties as far as may be prudent and practical, but its long past time to get down, get it on, and get it over in Iraq, as far as I'm concerned.
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Dookiestix
 
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Reply Thu 14 Oct, 2004 05:33 pm
timberlandko:

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The third avenue of attempted free-speech repression being employed by The Democrats, the harrassment and threats of boycott against stations and advertisers offers not only at best limited and localized success if even that, but demonstrates a clear contempt for the very principle of free speech.


I just don't think you can have it both ways:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2004-09-25-cbs-pulls-story_x.htm

http://www.progressivetrail.org/articles/031105EditorialBoard.shtml

As with the case of "The Reagans," CBS's attempt at "free speech" was pretty much quashed by the conservative rightwingers. Do you think that was right? CBS also chose NOT to air a critical view on Bush's Iraq policy.

Farenheit 9/11 won't be shown on national television, but on pay-per-view. I find considerably more integrity in that act than what Sinclair is blatantly doing against Kerry with their screed "Stolen Honor." The title ALONE suggests that Kerry "stole" the honor of every man who fought in Vietnam, which is the biggest pile of stinking bullshit to hit the airwaves. AND, the movie is ALREADY proven to be chock full of lies, so to consider it a documentary would be a joke. This is ALSO a mear continuation of another smear campaign (Swift Boat Veterans of Bullshit), so to say this is an original screed against Kerry would be disengenuous. Look who's funding it, look who is involved. To say this is NOT a political ad just weeks before the election is just plain ridiculous.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200410140001

Bush is so beyond desperate to do whatever it takes to smear Kerry, that he and his campaign are becoming delusional. People have had a chance to see Kerry, and they are starting to like the alternative. Bush knows this. Karl Rove knows this.

And, to be quite frank with you Timber, I am TIRED of the goddamn lies. Bush lies on a daily basis, and I am just plain tired of it. He lied about Iraq, he lied about medicare, he lied about SS; he's lied about so much that my distaste for him has only grown.

The Green Zone just got hit in Iraq today, one of the presumably safest zones in the country. The men who died were Dynocorp personnel, who are paid MUCH more than our average soldiers fighting this war in Iraq. It is private security industries who are raking in a fortune at the expense of our regular sons and daughters who are over there TRYING to get a job done.

I really just find the whole thing really sick.

I cannot WAIT for Bush and his cronies to be gone.
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Thu 14 Oct, 2004 07:21 pm
I wasn't pleased a bit by the assault on the Reagan hit piece. And while CBS caved and declined to broadcast it over-the-air, their sister company under the Viacom umbrella, Showtime, has run it several times on several of their cable channels. CBS would have aired it once; Showtime has aired it a bunch. Oh, and it might be a long wait for F-9/11 to show up on pay-per-view; Lionsgate Productions, which owns the distribution rights, so far has refused to release it for broadcast, and shows no indication of being inclined to do so. They even had it removed from a couple websites that were offerin' it for download this summer. Moore said at the time he didn't mind if folks downloaded his work, but it isn't his decision .. he doesn't own the distribution rights.

And I expect your gonna hafta be real patient about that White House thing.
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