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Sinclair Broadcasting Group Poised to Break Election Laws

 
 
Dookiestix
 
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Reply Tue 12 Oct, 2004 02:36 pm
http://www.english.uiuc.edu/maps/poets/s_z/stevens/africanamer.htm

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The Vietnam War saw the highest proportion of blacks ever to serve in an American war. During the height of the U.S. involvement, 1965-69, blacks, who formed 11 percent of the American population, made up 12.6 percent of the soldiers in Vietnam. The majority of these were in the infantry, and although authorities differ on the figures, the percentage of black combat fatalities in that period was a staggering 14.9 percent, a proportion that subsequently declined. Volunteers and draftees included many frustrated blacks whose impatience with the war and the delays in racial progress in America led to race riots on a number of ships and military bases, beginning in 1968, and the services' response in creating interracial councils and racial sensitivity training. . . .

The participation of Americans of African descent in the U.S. military has a long and distinguished history. But although African Americans have participated in all American wars, they have sometimes faced almost as bitter a hostility from their fellow Americans as from the enemy. Nevertheless, particularly since the 1970s, the U.S. military has made a serious effort at racial integration, and while much remains to be done, the military has achieved a degree of success in this area that surpasses most civilian institutions.


You dishonorable neocons can't just talk about this war. You must use it to desperately attempt to quell the groundswell of support for Kerry, not only in this country, but around the world.

Bush is toast November 2nd. Get used to the idea.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Tue 12 Oct, 2004 02:38 pm
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There are all kinds of atrocities, and I would have to say that, yes, yes, I committed the same kind of atrocities as thousands of other soldiers have committed in that I took part in shootings in free fire zones. I conducted harassment and interdiction fire. I used 50 calibre machine guns, which we were granted and ordered to use, which were our only weapon against people. I took part in search and destroy missions, in the burning of villages. All of this is contrary to the laws of warfare, all of this is contrary to the Geneva Conventions and all of this is ordered as a matter of written established policy by the government of the United States from the top down. And I believe that the men who designed these, the men who designed the free fire zone, the men who ordered us, the men who signed off the air raid strike areas, I think these men, by the letter of the law, the same letter of the law that tried Lieutenant Calley, are war criminals.


-- John Kerry, on NBC's "Meet the Press" April 18, 1971
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Larry434
 
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Reply Tue 12 Oct, 2004 02:45 pm
"You dishonorable neocons..."

Caution is advised in the use of personal insults, dookie. This is not abuzz and there are moderators here.
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Dookiestix
 
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Reply Tue 12 Oct, 2004 02:49 pm
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Caution is advised in the use of personal insults, dookie. This is not abuzz and there are moderators here.


I'm scared. Now perhaps we can discuss the truth.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Tue 12 Oct, 2004 02:50 pm
I am discussing the truth, you just seem impervious to it.
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Larry434
 
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Reply Tue 12 Oct, 2004 02:53 pm
Dookiestix wrote:
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Caution is advised in the use of personal insults, dookie. This is not abuzz and there are moderators here.


I'm scared. Now perhaps we can discuss the truth.


Fine, let's start with you admitting the Bush AWOL charge is a factually inaccurate myth. : Very Happy
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Dookiestix
 
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Reply Tue 12 Oct, 2004 02:55 pm
McGentrix:

Notice how Kerry refers to COMMANDING OFFICERS, not EVERY SOLDIER who fought in Vietnam.

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There are all kinds of atrocities, and I would have to say that, yes, yes, I committed the same kind of atrocities as thousands of other soldiers have committed in that I took part in shootings in free fire zones. I conducted harassment and interdiction fire. I used 50 calibre machine guns, which we were granted and ordered to use, which were our only weapon against people. I took part in search and destroy missions, in the burning of villages. All of this is contrary to the laws of warfare, all of this is contrary to the Geneva Conventions and all of this is ordered as a matter of written established policy by the government of the United States from the top down. And I believe that the men who designed these, the men who designed the free fire zone, the men who ordered us, the men who signed off the air raid strike areas, I think these men, by the letter of the law, the same letter of the law that tried Lieutenant Calley, are war criminals


You bely your own argument by offering up this quote. I agree with EVERYTHING Kerry says in this quote. Also notice how Kerry used the word atrocities regarding a lot of stuff the U.S. did against the Geneva convention.

It was Senator Biden who chewed out John Ascroft regarding the interrogation of POW's in relation to Abu Graib, specifically saying that such laws as the Geneva Convention were established so that HIS SON WOULD NOT BE SUBJECT TO THE SAME INTERROGATION TACTICS. And as we committed atrocities that many Viet Cong KNEW were against the Geneva Convention, why would you think that they wouldn't do what they did to OUR soldiers back during Vietnam REGARDLESS of whether Kerry spoke out or not? Kerry didn't reveal the truth about this, as there were already U.S. soldiers on trial for such heinous acts.

But thanx for offering the quote anyway!
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Tue 12 Oct, 2004 02:57 pm
Impervious I tell ya!
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Larry434
 
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Reply Tue 12 Oct, 2004 02:59 pm
Dookiestix wrote:
McGentrix:

Notice how Kerry refers to COMMANDING OFFICERS, not EVERY SOLDIER who fought in Vietnam.

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There are all kinds of atrocities, and I would have to say that, yes, yes, I committed the same kind of atrocities as thousands of other soldiers have committed in that I took part in shootings in free fire zones. I conducted harassment and interdiction fire. I used 50 calibre machine guns, which we were granted and ordered to use, which were our only weapon against people. I took part in search and destroy missions, in the burning of villages. All of this is contrary to the laws of warfare, all of this is contrary to the Geneva Conventions and all of this is ordered as a matter of written established policy by the government of the United States from the top down. And I believe that the men who designed these, the men who designed the free fire zone, the men who ordered us, the men who signed off the air raid strike areas, I think these men, by the letter of the law, the same letter of the law that tried Lieutenant Calley, are war criminals


I agree with EVERYTHING Kerry says in this quote.




Well, that is progress, getting dookie to admit his hero is a self-confessed war criminal.
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Tue 12 Oct, 2004 03:01 pm
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Please don't feed the animals
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Dookiestix
 
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Reply Tue 12 Oct, 2004 03:04 pm
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Fine, let's start with you admitting the Bush AWOL charge is a myth.


Because it's not.

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Dookiestix
 
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Reply Tue 12 Oct, 2004 03:05 pm
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Well, that is progress, getting dookie to admit his hero is a self-confessed war criminal.


Based on your logic, Larry434, so are his commanding officers.

And that would include Hoffman, who is a main spokesperson for the Swift Boat Veterans of Bullshit.
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Larry434
 
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Reply Tue 12 Oct, 2004 03:06 pm
Dookiestix wrote:
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Fine, let's start with you admitting the Bush AWOL charge is a myth.


Because it's not.

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O.K. Then I am sure you can produce the official military documents so charging and the results thereof. If not, it is a myth.
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Dookiestix
 
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Reply Tue 12 Oct, 2004 03:12 pm
Um, I did, and have.

But like Michael Moore's movie, you refuse to actually LOOK at them. Otherwise, you'd see that there is no documentation showing that he showed up for his drills in Alabama.

Why do you think that Bush cannot remember (or tell us) ANYONE who served with him during that time?
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Larry434
 
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Reply Tue 12 Oct, 2004 03:23 pm
Dookiestix wrote:
Um, I did, and have.

But like Michael Moore's movie, you refuse to actually LOOK at them. Otherwise, you'd see that there is no documentation showing that he showed up for his drills in Alabama.

Why do you think that Bush cannot remember (or tell us) ANYONE who served with him during that time?


Attendance records are not official AWOL charges, dookie. You are grasping at straws.
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Dookiestix
 
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Reply Tue 12 Oct, 2004 03:33 pm
What "are" the official records? Medical records? But Bush missed a medical exam, and was summarily grounded.

So much left unexplained. That's the problem. Bush cannot explain it.

Why?
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Larry434
 
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Reply Tue 12 Oct, 2004 03:42 pm
Dookiestix wrote:
What "are" the official records? Medical records?

No. AWOL charges and procedings would be. But they do not exist nor is there testimony that they ever did.

But Bush missed a medical exam, and was summarily grounded.

As would any other aviator. Happened to me twice in my Reserve career.

So much left unexplained. That's the problem. Bush cannot explain it.

Why?

He doesn't need to since it has had no effect on his electability. The charges must be legally proven to have any effect. And they won't be because there is no evidene to support such a charge.
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Dookiestix
 
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Reply Tue 12 Oct, 2004 03:48 pm
Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

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No. AWOL charges and procedings would be. But they do not exist nor is there testimony that they ever did.


Now if only all those other National Guardsmen got the same treatment. Wouldn't that be just grand?

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As would any other aviator. Happened to me twice in my Reserve career.


Were you ordered to report to your medical exam and then not show up, Larry434? That's disobeying a direct order.

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He doesn't need to since it has had no effect on his electability. The charges must be legally proven to have any effect. And they won't be because there is no evidene to support such a charge.


That last quote is the funniest, really, because we now have the Swift Boat and POW Vets desperately trying to stop John Kerry's momentum in the final stretch, and there is NO other reason for doing this other than Bush's inability to shed his campaign of these AWOL charges.

I though you knew politics better than that? I must've been sorely mistaken...
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Larry434
 
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Reply Tue 12 Oct, 2004 03:56 pm
Dookie,

This Reserve Aviator did get the same treatment.

One does not have to be ordered to show up for a flight physical. It is mandatory to remain on flying status. Miss it and you are grounded by the Flight Surgeon or your CO. No orders required.

It is a proven fact that these bogus AWOL charges have not effected Bush's electability.

It is yet to be seen whether the charges against Kerry leveled by others in his unit will have an effect.
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Dookiestix
 
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Reply Tue 12 Oct, 2004 04:25 pm
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It is a proven fact that these bogus AWOL charges have not effected Bush's electability.


But they are having an effect on his RE-electability.

http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20041011&s=baker

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2004/09/20/bush_guard_records/index_np.html

http://www.texansfortruth.com

Oh, the hypocrisy of it all.
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