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Sinclair Broadcasting Group Poised to Break Election Laws

 
 
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 12 Oct, 2004 01:19 pm
It's funny how you can pick a single line out of someone's post, while ignoring all the other links and factual information.... and then imagine that you are somehow winning the debate...

Just too funny

Cycloptichorn
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Larry434
 
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Reply Tue 12 Oct, 2004 01:20 pm
"It's funny that you go so far out of your way demonstrating that perpetual lies have no bearing on the truth and then use the perpetual lie of Bush being AWOL in your response. Just too funny. "

OUCH!! Laughing
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Tue 12 Oct, 2004 01:27 pm
It just stood out to be noticed Cycloptichorn. You don't go on and on and on about how lies about one person are false and then, in the same paragraph, extend the same type of attqack on someone else.

It's been proven, discussed, rehashed, dissected so many times that at this point it's redundant to do anything more than point out the person saying it and try to stifle the laughter.
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Dookiestix
 
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Reply Tue 12 Oct, 2004 01:37 pm
They choose to ignore it, Cycloptichorn, it's that simple.

I'm sure these guys also believe that, along with 60% of polled Republicans, that Saddam Hussein had something to do with 9/11.

Ignorance is bliss for these neoconservative Republicans, as their leader destroys the free world.
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blueveinedthrobber
 
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Reply Tue 12 Oct, 2004 01:41 pm
Sylvan Learnings Centers poised to pull their advertising off the Sinclair networks....
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Tue 12 Oct, 2004 01:42 pm
60%, that's a funny number. Did you get that one from the Democratic Underground?
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blueveinedthrobber
 
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Reply Tue 12 Oct, 2004 01:45 pm
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/10/12/121355/52
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Tue 12 Oct, 2004 01:57 pm
Anyways, back to the topic here...

Does the program Sinclair wants to air do anything but tell the truth about Kerry, his actions and the effects of those actions?
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 12 Oct, 2004 02:04 pm
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Does the program Sinclair wants to air do anything but tell the truth about Kerry, his actions and the effects of those actions?


Are you kidding? The answer is, yes! The piece is quite opinion-based.

Cycloptichorn
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Dookiestix
 
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Reply Tue 12 Oct, 2004 02:10 pm
Yes, the program does do everything BUT tell the truth about Kerry, his actions and the effects of those actions.

But perhaps they'll also talk about the actions of the Viet Cong and the effects of THEIR actions, as well as the actions of the U.S. soldiers in Vietnam who actually DID commit those atrocities.

That would certainly be more fair and balanced, but inconceivable when coming from a rightwing propaganda machine.
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CoastalRat
 
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Reply Tue 12 Oct, 2004 02:16 pm
You guys have seen the program already? After all, that would be the only way you can so vehemently assert that it "does everything BUT tell the truth about Kerry".
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Tue 12 Oct, 2004 02:16 pm
So, the taping of Kerry before the senate is going to be altered somehow?

Keery's actions are going to be lied about?

What's the story? Could it be that Kerry is ashamed of his actions and now, in fear of losing a few votes denies he said what he did and that it did not have the reprecussions that it had?

Why should it be fair and balanced? Kerry certainly wasn't being fair or balanced when he accused every soldier that went to Viet Nam of being a murderer.
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Dookiestix
 
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Reply Tue 12 Oct, 2004 02:18 pm
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Kerry certainly wasn't being fair or balanced when he accused every soldier that went to Viet Nam of being a murderer.


He DIDN'T, McGentrix, so STOP propogating that LIE! What the **** is wrong with people like you who either cannot read, or refuse to read, the links that were provided to you?

Do you choose to be ignorant? My guess is "yes."
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Tue 12 Oct, 2004 02:18 pm
McG, I think it is probably along the lines of F911. And you know very well that he did not accuse every soldier that went to Viet Nam of being a murderer.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 12 Oct, 2004 02:21 pm
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Why should it be fair and balanced? Kerry certainly wasn't being fair or balanced when he accused every soldier that went to Viet Nam of being a murderer.


This is quite a stretch, and really unbecoming of you. I mean, surely the people who argue that because Bush and Co. didn't use EXACT WORDING (such as 'imminent') then they are innocent, yet read whatever they want into Kerry's testimony, despite the fact that he uses no exact phrases either.

The height of hypocrisy.

Cycloptichorn
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Dookiestix
 
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Reply Tue 12 Oct, 2004 02:24 pm
Y'know, McGentrix also thinks that Cycloptichorn is a baby hater, so one must really wonder whether to take ANYTHING he says seriously anymore.
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Dookiestix
 
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Reply Tue 12 Oct, 2004 02:26 pm
Look at this. Now it's the Swift Vets and POWs for Truth.

http://www.stolenhonor.com/news/view.asp?id=14&page=

D-E-S-P-E-R-A-T-I-O-N

I wonder what face Bush will use in the third debate?
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Tue 12 Oct, 2004 02:30 pm
What do you mean he didn't? Did he name names? Did he say he say SSgt. Alex Johansen committed the atrocies? No. He accused every single soldier that went and fought in Vietnam of being a baby killer, a murderer and a criminal.

Why do you think so many veterans are pissed off at Kerry?

Which of the following is not true?

o In his April 1971 speech to the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations, John Kerry claimed that war crimes committed by the American military against Vietnamese civilians were "not isolated incidents, but crimes committed on a day-to-day basis..." War crimes in Vietnam were actually quite rare.

o Kerry claimed that war crimes were being committed "with the full awareness of officers at all levels of command." In fact, military personnel were warned that "if you disobey the rules of engagement, you can be tried and punished." War crimes were never a matter of policy, and were prosecuted when discovered.

o Kerry charged that the war in Vietnam was a racist war, that "blacks provided the highest percentage of casualties." Research published in B.G. Burkett's book "Stolen Valor" and other sources shows that casualty rates for black and white soldiers during Vietnam closely matched the proportion of America's overall population represented by each race.

o Kerry claimed that Vietnam was "ravaged equally by American bombs and search-and-destroy missions as well as by Viet Cong terrorism..." Later in his remarks, Kerry responded to a question about what might happen to the South Vietnamese after our withdrawal with "So what I am saying is that yes, there will be some recrimination but far, far less than the 200,000 a year who are murdered by the United States of America..." Yet according to historian Guenter Lewy in "America in Vietnam," "...the number of civilians killed deliberately by the VC is appallingly high. No counterpart to this death toll caused by communist terror tactics exists on the allied side."

o Asked for a recommendation about possible courses of action for Congress to pursue, Kerry stated that he had talked with representatives from Hanoi and from the PRG (Viet Cong) at the Paris peace talks, and mentioned his support for "Madam Binh's points." Madam Nguyen Thi Binh was at that time the Foreign Minister for the PRG. These meetings took place in the spring of 1970, before Kerry ever joined the VVAW.

o Kerry was a leader, fund-raiser, and spokesman for Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW), an organization that staged mock mass murders of civilians to dramatize American atrocities, and handed out flyers that read "if you had been Vietnamese" American infantrymen might have "burned your house" or "raped your wife and daughter" and "American soldiers do these things every day to the Vietnamese simply because they are 'Gooks.'"

o Kerry's used "testimony" from the VVAW's "Winter Soldier Investigation" as the basis for his war crimes charges, although none of the witnesses there were willing to sign depositions affirming their claims. Later investigators were unable to confirm any of the reported atrocities, and in fact discovered that a number of the witnesses had never been in Vietnam, had never been in combat, or were imposters who had assumed the identity of real veterans.

o The deception extended to the VVAW leadership. Executive secretary Al Hubbard claimed to have been an Air Force captain wounded piloting a transport over Da Nang in 1966. Hubbard was actually a staff sergeant who was never assigned to Vietnam.

o The Winter Soldier Investigation was financed by pro-Hanoi radicals such as Jane Fonda and Mark Lane, who hoped to undermine American support for the war by framing American soldiers as mass murderers. At the same time, the North Vietnamese military was torturing American prisoners of war to make them confess to identical crimes. At least one former POW has stated that Kerry's testimony was used by North Vietnam to demoralize American prisoners during interrogations.

o John Kerry has denied any association with Jane Fonda, but he attended the 1970 VVAW leadership meeting that chose Fonda and Executive Secretary Al Hubbard to do a national speaking tour to raise money for the VVAW and launch new chapters. Fonda was also the primary source of funds for the Winter Soldier Investigation, where Kerry was a moderator.

o The VVAW signed the People's Peace Treaty during Kerry's tenure -- the VVAW even sent a delegation to Hanoi. The document was a laundry list of North Vietnamese bargaining points, including the key concession that the United States must agree to withdraw all troops before any negotiations could take place for the return of American prisoners.

o The VVAW was at the heart of the propaganda effort that so effectively smeared American servicemen in Vietnam as murderous, drug-addled psychotics that returning veterans were cursed and spat upon in the streets. In fact, as shown in B.G. Burkett's book "Stolen Valor," Vietnam veterans are more psychologically stable and successful than their civilian counterparts.

o The VVAW was a radical and potentially violent organization that formally considered assassinating prominent supporters of the war. As reported in the New York Sun by Thomas Lipscomb, during a November 1971 meeting in Kansas City the VVAW leadership and chapter coordinators voted down a plan to murder several U.S. Senators, including John Tower, John Stennis, and Strom Thurmond. Two VVAW members who were present, Randy Barnes and Terry Du-Bose, place John Kerry at that meeting, as do the meeting minutes and FBI records. Kerry claims to have resigned from the VVAW at the meeting or shortly thereafter, but there is no evidence that he ever informed authorities about the conspiracy. Kerry continued to publicly represent the VVAW until at least April of 1972.

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Dookiestix
 
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Reply Tue 12 Oct, 2004 02:31 pm
Lies, er, quotes from the web page for these morons:

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Galanti: On the other hand, John Kerry came home and accused all Vietnam veterans of unspeakable horrors.


Fact: He did NOT

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McManus: I will never forget John Kerry's testimony. If we couldn't trust John Kerry then, how could we possibly trust him now?


As Kerry was telling the TRUTH about these atrocities, how can we NOT trust him?

And the BIGGEST lie, from Kerry's commanding officer, who PRAISED him back during Vietnam:

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"For John Kerry to now claim that his activities were part of an effort to help solve the POW problem is absolutely ludicrous. Kerry encouraged the North Vietnamese to keep us in captivity longer which meant more torture, more lost years and, sadly, more death," said Vietnam POW Ken Cordier who was held captive for six years and three months and was awarded two Silver Stars, a Bronze Star, and a Purple Heart among other decorations.


Where, in these idiots' right mind, do they have the balls to accuse Kerry of encouraging Viet Cong to keep and torture POWs?

Bush is just so pathetically desperate now. We on the left (and more converts from the right) cannot wait for Bush to be gone, because all this crap will be gone as well. And THAT will be the telling sign of how political this all was to begin with.
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Dookiestix
 
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Reply Tue 12 Oct, 2004 02:33 pm
I have never heard such a crock of **** in my life. You've outdone yourself, McGentrix.

Link? Or are you too embarrassed to offer one?
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