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What is the soul?

 
 
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sat 17 Jul, 2021 07:23 am
@izzythepush,
Well, they didn't have sitcom TV in those days.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sat 17 Jul, 2021 07:51 am
@edgarblythe,
I suppose so, but they did have Shakespeare.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sat 17 Jul, 2021 07:53 am
@izzythepush,
As You Like It was a sitcom in one episode, come to think of it.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sat 17 Jul, 2021 07:55 am
@edgarblythe,
The poisoning of Juliette was very torturous as well.
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TheCobbler
 
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Reply Sun 18 Jul, 2021 03:25 pm
@TheCobbler,
The repeating decimal of pi infers the universe's inability to host anything that represents absolute zero.

I personally believe life was formed by the combined synergy of a sun, moon and earth. Anything less and life could not be fostered.
Leadfoot
 
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Reply Mon 19 Jul, 2021 07:02 am
@TheCobbler,
Yeah, but even these mortal coils required such precision positioning of that stardust as to require the involvement of a goal driven actor. Not to mention the creature inside that coil that ponders the question.
TheCobbler
 
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Reply Mon 19 Jul, 2021 12:48 pm
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TheCobbler
 
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Reply Mon 19 Jul, 2021 12:55 pm
@Leadfoot,
...or maybe not.

Maybe the "goal drive actor" is your own ego that refuses to believe we come from apes and dust alone.

This goal driven actor's silence does not indicate an endgame or even a presence.

By imposing our own image on the universe we miss the truth of how we came to be. We create god from the dust of the ground but it this abomination really god or simply our imagination superimposed upon all that truly is?
Leadfoot
 
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Reply Mon 19 Jul, 2021 04:29 pm
@TheCobbler,
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This goal driven actor's silence does not indicate an endgame or even a presence.


Maybe you lack the patience to listen, seek and find him. Most do not.
TheCobbler
 
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Reply Thu 22 Jul, 2021 10:30 am
@Leadfoot,
Or maybe those putting all of their eggs in one basket, while denying science, reason, logic, evidence and murdering their brother in the name of their savior God might simply be a bunch of crap?

Do they hear their God or is it hogwash?

People hear their God tell them to do unwise, dangerous and contradictory things. They follow charlatans and men who pay porn stars for sex, all in the name of their God and his voices.

After many examples of this type of lunacy it becomes evident that rationale has been traded for gullibility and foolery.

Oh, but your god is the real one... lol

If all your god has for verity is voices in your head or even less, than this god is weak and devoid of power.

If your god requires a leap of faith then find the nearest cliff and jump off if you are so certain. (or maybe not)

This leap of faith is pure insanity.

Maybe maybe maybe...

Error built upon error built upon error, all in the name of dishonesty.

Your god and a little prayer will get you a bad cup of coffee, or worse.

I am not saying god does not or cannot exist but the gods of these holy books are self contradicting psychopaths.
The Anointed
 
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Reply Thu 22 Jul, 2021 03:23 pm
@TheCobbler,
So, what you are saying is that if you are religious, an atheist, agnostic or whatever, you have sinned, as the scriptures say; "All have sinned and all must die once then go off into judgement."

The only one who is going to judge you my friend is yourself. Jesus said that to gain everlasting life you must love God with all your heart=body, with all your mind=spirit and with all your soul= animating life force, and love your neighbour as yourself, which is the most important rule of all, for how can you say 'I love God' who is all that exists, then say but I hate my brother.

Do you impose your law on the rest of society? Do you say; Do not thieve from me or mine, do not bear false witness against me or mine, do not kill me or mine, do not have sex with my partner, etc, etc.

If you have broken the very law that you impose on others, you have condemned yourself.

When the Pharisee asked Jesus what he must do to gain everlasting life, he answered; "You must love God etc, and love your neighbor as yourself, and do unto others only that which you would wish to be done to yourself, do this and you will live.
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Leadfoot
 
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Reply Fri 23 Jul, 2021 07:17 am
@TheCobbler,
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Or maybe those putting all of their eggs in one basket, while denying science, reason, logic, evidence and murdering their brother in the name of their savior God might simply be a bunch of crap?

I guess you are angry at something, angry enough to justify ad hominem attacks on all who profess a belief in God.

You are another who has believed the big lie that science, logic and reason are diametrically opposed to this belief. The truth is that the scientific revolution was started by men like Newton, Boyle and many others who were motivated to see the underlying pattern and design in nature that could only be there as a result of an intelligent creator. This was the position of virtually all scientists of that period. It was only in the 19th century that the lie of science being 'anti-God' became popular.

I just finished a book by Origin of life biochemistry PhD Stephen Meyer (Return of the God Hypothesis). I recommend it to anyone who is interested in the truth about the Science vs Theology myth.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 23 Jul, 2021 07:23 am
@Leadfoot,
The lie that science is anti God is one put forward by the church.

The minute science shows something at odds with established orthodoxy the church condemns it.

On 22nd June 1633 Galileo was forced to recant the findings of Copernicus.

That was ten years before Isaac Newton was born.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Fri 23 Jul, 2021 09:45 am
@izzythepush,
True. Science does not directly study what there is no way of studying. It leaves that to speculators who generally speculate from an introspective center where facts are meaningless.
The Anointed
 
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Reply Fri 23 Jul, 2021 10:24 pm
@edgarblythe,
Most scientific theories are merely suppositions and unproven hypotheses.

There are as many, if not more scientific theories as to the origin of our universe, as there are differing religious bodies, such as Christianity, Hindu, Abrahamic, Muslim, etc.

One of which, is a theory put forward by Niayesh Afshordi, an astrophysicist with Perimeter Institute for Theoretical Physics in Canada, which he believes, could explain the singularity within a Super massive Black Hole, from which singularity our ‘Three Dimensional’ Universe was born.

Niayesh Afshordi, proposes that our three-dimensional universe floats as a membrane in a “bulk universe” that has four dimensions and that the “Bulk Universe” has four dimensional stars, which go through the same life cycles as our three-dimensional stars.

The most massive ones explode as supernovae, and their central core collapses into a black hole, (As a Singularity) like in our universe, only in four-dimension. The four-dimensional black hole has its own four dimensional “Event Horizon,” the boundary between the inside and the outside of a black hole.

In a three-dimensional universe, the event horizon appears to be two dimensional. In a four-dimensional universe, it appears to be three dimensional. The four-dimensional black hole, then blows apart, (THE BIG BANG) with the leftover material forming a three-dimensional membrane surrounding a ‘Three Dimensional’ event horizon, which expands---and is essentially our universe.

So, according to the theory proposed by Niayesh Afshordi, our universe is the vomited-up guts of a Super massive fourth dimensional black hole, in which the singularity that is said to have been the origin of our three dimensional universe, had been crushed. The expansion of the event horizon explains our universe's expansion; the fact that its creation stems from another 4D universe explains the weird temperature uniformity.

As attractive as Niayesh Afshordi’s theory is, I will continue to believe in the eternal oscillating universe, which is the evolution of the eternal energy that has neither beginning or end, and that each stage of its activity is a separate generation, and each generation of its eternal evolution, occupies its own position in Space-Time.

As the scriptures state that God gathers all creation back to himself, before creating for us a new heavens and a new earth, (A new universe) I will continue to believe, that this entire universe, which began as a ‘singularity,’ will burn up and fall as fire into the Great Abyss, which is created by the black holes within the condensing Galaxies devouring each other, where it will be crushed back into the singularity from which it was created, only to be blasted out and resurrected to continue on in its eternal process of evolution.
farmerman
 
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Reply Sat 24 Jul, 2021 12:41 am
@The Anointed,
scientific theory is body of knowledge that provides an answer to a problem. In a theory , ALL evidence and facts support and NO EVIDENCE or FACT refutes.
A theory in science is not a guess, its a strongly made I wish youd try to understand .

Thats why I distinguish between theory and hypotheses. Theories are strongly supported and tested bodies of vience, whereas a hypothesis is an idea, a possible mthodology but, as of yet, its pretty much fact free.
now beddy bye.
The Anointed
 
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Reply Sat 24 Jul, 2021 01:06 am
@farmerman,
Only when a theory is proven to be a fact, is it then no longer just an unproven hypotheses, but until then, it remains no more than a theory, which is an unproven hypotheses.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sat 24 Jul, 2021 06:21 am
A theory is a fact in science. Indisputably proven.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sat 24 Jul, 2021 06:28 am
@edgarblythe,
You’re talking to someone who refuses to accept scientific terminology.

There’s no accounting for such wilful ignorance.
Leadfoot
 
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Reply Sat 24 Jul, 2021 06:34 am
Izzy said:
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The lie that science is anti God is one put forward by the church.

You see how effective the lie has been?

The other big lie is - Who is the Church. Maybe that is the one you swallowed.
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