What is the soul?

Humans are a territorial animal. It's why we wage war endlessly and build racist societies. It's why politics become tribal. It's why societies are structured to protect the rich from the poor. The myth making occupies the imagination, a territory as vast as we make it. It's why religious myths make believers so passionate. It's why it is so effectively used to control populations.

But do you disagree with the statement?
Is mating not pleasurable to you?

So what makes some atheists so ardent? Do they have a counter-myth to explain their passion?

My own complaint is that most 'believers' are so luke warm.

Many believers are lukewarm because they spend much of their time feeling unworthy and defeated because the scriptures are filled with so much condemnation and not nearly enough edification. [edification means to build something up]

Help someone out of a ditch on Sunday, get divorced, eat seafood or wear plaid and you are going to hell. Let's all jump and flail our hands in the air at nothing, deny science and condone rapists and presidents who screw porn stars! Praise the lord! (cynical)

Is religion worth it?

Maybe it has some benefits but it is not worth investing ones whole heart and soul in it. People are MUCH better off trusting in their own wits and living by their own standards.

I was pulled out of a pit be the balls once.

And if mister and missus Ball happen to be on this forum, I would very much like to thank them.

The Old law has been done away with, Jesus brought in the new covenant. When asked by the Pharisee what he must to to inherit everlasting life, Jesus answered by saying; "Love God with all your heart and love your neighbour as yourself. For the whole law is wrapped up in those two commands. Do this and you shall live."

Imagine what a wonderful world we would live in, if all obeyed the new law, "Do unto others only that which would want them to do unto you."

Cobbler, we have been neighbors in this cyber space for many years. When have you ever heard me advocate for organized religion? I have done nothing but promote following ones own wits rather than accept the word of an 'expert' whether they be scientists or clergy. My premise is that our true nature, the source of our 'wits', is our creator.

Do your own wits tell you we came from a tidal pool or hydrothermal vent?

all that bullshit does is to try to confer some bit of plausible deniability on Leadfootisms

Notice how the 'science' guy resorts to insult when he has no answers of his own.

not really ,Im just calling out the obvious.. Youre limited powers of analyses and considering deep time ignores the evidence we have that life began very simply.
For many pro karyotes (from our view of them as they are extant ,now)

They have no DNA or iRNA
no mRNA introns
no mRNA to splice and cap
No nucleii nor complex organelles (like free living pre mitochondrial cells)
complex esters and fatty acids as cell walls (eukraryotes contain tranfer and complex elements)
contain but one enzyme for the mRNA polymerase to
act on but one kind of metabolic pathway (noATP/ADP pathways)
no methanogenesis metabolism (were they only plants???)

Now were we to go back several 10^9 years, would we find simpler and exchange based chemical structures (No purines and pyrimidines as we see in the Greenland or west Australian prokaryotickaryotic "fossil organelles"



Worry about your bar codes, meanwhile science has moved WAAAAY beyond your simple musings. Its not my field but I know Im waay closer to the facts than are you. Im not demeaning your intelligence like some other folks here would do. Im demeaning your IGNORANCE cause you have the ability to take up the subjct you just seem to refuse to even consider other nascent life options an the evidence that support them .


You have made fun of the fossil record. That too is an acquired skill. I suggest that , starting with the whale, you carefully read what the role of fossil species variability shows us and the actual heritability among the breadth of these fossils a they appear in stratigraphic time. Its a matter a induced variability as a sense of
1 expanding populations and end member changes

2 adaptability to environmental (geologic) changes
AND, all these change can occur without PUNCTUATED EQUILIBRIUM, saltation, o or even cataclysms. We can see the global warming of today impress surface area changes in many marine animal species (just like it did for Pleistocene elephant and mastodons on land)

WE certainly didnt but a possible universal common ancestral prokaryote did. ISUA formation displays thermal vents in lacustrine or palludal environments of highly mineralized low pH water. You hav any evidence that hasfound a sandal print next to evidence of a human

WE certainly didnt but a possible universal common ancestral prokaryote did. ISUA formation displays thermal vents in lacustrine or palludal environments of highly mineralized low pH water. You hav any evidence that hasfound a sandal print next to evidence of a human

If I ever implied that leadfoot is stupid I take it back because I didn't intend it that way. I just figure most people are hardwired to be believers or not and they are immune to evidence. I see him in the category.

Only the word 'possible' kept that statement from being a complete lie.

You might even be right about the first part, but the last part of reveals your bigotry (or anger?) about the first part.

There is no sort of intelligence that ignores evidence. Your post was nonsensical for several other reasons as well.

I just gave you the evidence from The Isual Formation. Can you tell me what the characteristics of a thermal vent deposit even are?

Ill tell ya where to look it up when you blow it on yer own.

you consistently ignore evidence that doesnt support your belief (which as of thi point is 0 )

I think we have to do away with all spiritual materialistic versions of the soul that are merely extensions of ego and a desire for our self images to exist forever. Ego has a million tricks up its sleeve to solidify its existence, one of the best is to show that is doesn't exist and is just an illusion and that it can be transcended. All that just solidifies it more.

The concept of an everlasting soul is another trick of the ego sanctioned by an established religion created by a collective of egos wanting to substantiate their own egos.

I like the black community's version of "soul", not a soul but "soul", an undefinable feeling of brotherhood that unites them something like Schiller's "joy" unites all mankind in his "Ode to Joy."

Forget definitive proof it’s a “red herring” ….as for evidences…as there is no defined start or end point, % of probabilities of evidences are utterly meaningless.

All anyone has is a hope in something and the 4 off logic output possibilities.

The 4 off logic output possibilities state that good and bad are either the same or not the same ..i.e. 50/50 assumption possibilities.

Most modern day science only accepts that good and bad are the same which is only half of the logic output possibilities.

All sciences need to start accepting all the 4 off logic output assumptions.

This doesn’t affect belief systems.

The biological reasoning machine uses 0,0..1,0..0.1..1,1 logic…which is “hamsters wheel” logic.

This is where we are at.

m not even sure I understand what youre saying

From what, where and how did the prokaryote and all bacteria originate, and please provide the evidence