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Ding-dong! The Witch of Cuba is dead! Castro's dead at 90.

 
 
Builder
 
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Reply Tue 13 Dec, 2016 02:01 pm
@georgeob1,

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You appear to be either seriously delusional, or very badly informed.


So you're thinking that what your govt tells you about Cuba is something approaching the truth? That's interesting.

Germany's socialist policies are directed at her people.

In the US of A, the socialist policies are directed at corporate entities.

Did QE 1, 2, and 3 help the people? Or did they keep Wall street afloat?

Did the bank bailouts help the robo-signed mortgage holders? Or did they help CEOs to maintain their ridiculous salaries and unwarranted bonus system?

Cuba ain't perfect; not by a long shot, but compared to Haiti, which is a republic, and supposedly receiving aid from the likes of the Clinton foundation, they are doing so vey badly, that Cuba is a bright shining light, in comparison.
Baldimo
 
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Reply Tue 13 Dec, 2016 02:36 pm
@Builder,
History:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Uphold_Democracy

The Clintons have been involved with Haiti since Bill was President. I don't think Haiti has improved a bit since we invaded Haiti in 1994.
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Tue 13 Dec, 2016 02:53 pm
@Builder,
As I said before Haiti is a unique situation, and treating it as an example of capitalism (or anything else in particular) is misleading. There are many far better options and comparisos for Cuba out there and Cuba does not look good in comparison. The captive former Soviet Regimes of Eastern Europe also had orderly societies with "free" health care and generally tawdry poverty for all. I haven't observed any of them trying to go back to the "good old days".
Baldimo
 
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Reply Tue 13 Dec, 2016 03:47 pm
@georgeob1,
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2010/01/19/bill-clintons-shameful-haiti-legacy.html

The Clinton's and Haiti
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Tue 13 Dec, 2016 04:24 pm
@Builder,
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So you're thinking that what your govt tells you about Cuba is something approaching the truth? That's interesting.

I trust it more than someone who thinks Castro was a saint and did great things for his people. Besides it isn't the govt we listen to, it's the people who left Cuba on boats made of garbage that tell the most convincing stories.

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Germany's socialist policies are directed at her people.

I guess if you are going to do socialism, that would be the way to do it.

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In the US of A, the socialist policies are directed at corporate entities.

No they aren't, they are also targeted at the people. Does the ACA ring a bell? How about the over 170 social welfare programs between the Fed, state and local govts? Do you think those taxing policies that pay for those programs to be targeted at corporations?

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Did QE 1, 2, and 3 help the people? Or did they keep Wall street afloat?

You should talk to your Democratic masters for those answers. It was the Dems who used the term "To big to fail". A majority if the GOP wanted those banks to fail, like they should have, instead the Dems rescued those banks and gave them our tax money. Once again the govt interfered with natural market forces and imposed their will on capitalism. Once again, does the ACA ring a bell.

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Did the bank bailouts help the robo-signed mortgage holders? Or did they help CEOs to maintain their ridiculous salaries and unwarranted bonus system?

Yet Goldmen Sacks donated more money to Obama and Hillary than they did to any of the other GOP candidates that ran at those times.



Builder
 
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Reply Tue 13 Dec, 2016 08:32 pm
@Baldimo,
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I trust it more than someone who thinks Castro was a saint and did great things for his people.


Nice strawman. You'd have to quote my words on that topic.

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...it's the people who left Cuba on boats made of garbage that tell the most convincing stories.


Now find some convincing source for that tale. I've not seen any.

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No they aren't, they are also targeted at the people.


Meaning people in full-time employment needing food stamps to survive?

That's not socialism; that's preventing starvation. Their employers are the ones on the receiving end of socialism.

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You should talk to your Democratic masters for those answers.


I'm happy that Trump won. Not sure why you'd think I like Hillary.

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Once again the govt interfered with natural market forces and imposed their will on capitalism.


Neo-liberalism is not natural and it's not true capitalism. I guess you still think trickle-down economics was a great idea.

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Yet Goldmen Sacks donated more money to Obama and Hillary


They donate to both sides of the great imaginary divide. It's called hedging your bets.






Baldimo
 
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Reply Wed 14 Dec, 2016 12:05 pm
@Builder,
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Nice strawman. You'd have to quote my words on that topic.

Maybe an exaggeration but not a strawman.

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Now find some convincing source for that tale. I've not seen any.

Wet foot dry foot? It seems you want to limit Cuban immigration to the limited time in 1980 when Castro let people leave... Although there have been people fleeing Cuba since the 60's. I guess you have never seen the pictures of people who were stopped in the waters outside FL in "boats/rafts" that look like they were made by people stranded on an island after a plane/boat accident. It's not like these they were pulling up in cruise ships and yachts.

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Meaning people in full-time employment needing food stamps to survive?

Who do you think pays for these programs? There are over 170 Federal, State and local welfare programs. It's always convenient to try and narrow social welfare programs down to just food stamps, it's one of the greatest cons pulled by those on the left, "General Welfare"...

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That's not socialism; that's preventing starvation. Their employers are the ones on the receiving end of socialism.

I've never understood how keeping more of the money a person or company makes/earns was socialism. I don't think you understand the difference between keeping your own and taking from others. This is the reason I guess you don't understand the issue with Castro and Cuba and what he did to that once prosperous nation.

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I'm happy that Trump won. Not sure why you'd think I like Hillary.

I didn't mention Hillary, just the Dems. Bernie the Socialist ran as a Dem.

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Neo-liberalism is not natural and it's not true capitalism. I guess you still think trickle-down economics was a great idea.

I know and have experienced that when there is a need for people to work, as in companies need employees, they will increase wages to hire people. Right now here in CO, a majority of min wage jobs are hiring at above the state min wage because they can't find people. Mcdonalds is hiring for $9.50-10.00 hr depending on which city you want to work in. That has nothing to do with forcing companies to pay an artificial wage for under-skilled workers.

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They donate to both sides of the great imaginary divide. It's called hedging your bets.

You are correct to a point, but as the leftists like to point out, it's who they give the most money to that counts.
Builder
 
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Reply Wed 14 Dec, 2016 11:17 pm
@Baldimo,
It certainly looks like a brutal dictatorship. Laughing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oI15JJCawhA
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Frugal1
 
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Reply Thu 15 Dec, 2016 03:11 pm
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CzvxMDIXAAAExyZ.jpg
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Frugal1
 
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Reply Sun 18 Dec, 2016 03:25 pm

American attorney defending Cuban dissident artist arrested in Cuba.
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