monitoring Trump and relevant contemporary events

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jul/12/obama-admin-sent-taxpayer-money-oust-netanyahu/

Obama wanted to see Netanyahu defeated in an Israeli election. Does that count?

I don't think so, the kid showed it to me, I asked for a link.

Yes, that's an extremely valuable article.

WP - The long history of the U.S. interfering with elections elsewhere

Guardian - Americans can spot election meddling because they’ve been doing it for years

Politico - When a Foreign Government Interfered in a U.S. Election

vocativ - Election Interference? The U.S. Has Done It In 45 Countries Worldwide

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39148114

Result.

As I'm reading this afternoon, I find I'm having difficulty remaining awake. There's no one else in the house but me and it's totally silent here other than the background sounds of the Trump administration sort of singing. Like a perfectly tuned Strativarius

I remember it from MASH, and not the other stuff.

Now that is some cool argumentation, McG.

Let's ramp up all this good work even further and have China and Iran mucking about in US elections too.

So now you're spouting Putin propaganda. The message being that Russia is no worse than other (real) democracies.

That's a crock, Russia has very little in the way of a free press, or an opposition. Its leaders are super corrupt and it discriminates against minorities and LGBT people.

Nobody is disputing that America has interfered in other countries' elections, the main difference is that the people in those countries are usually quite pissed off while you just bend over and take it.

The guy in M*A*S*H* was black, thus the name. "Spearchucker" Jones played by Oliver Harmon.

You first have to prove they are fake news. Also, that they are lies.

They're really confused. They want us to prove they're fake news.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-immigration-lies-us-president-told-cnn-softer-stance-fake-news-a7607656.html%3Famp

Wouldn't surprise me, but I think I am capable of deciding my vote on my own. I am just shocked, SHOCKED I tell you, that so many Democrats could be so easily duped into believing that the DNC emails, while being true and a good "behind the curtain" look at what was really going on during the elections could not actually decide for themselves to vote for Clinton.

I mean, after all, she was pure as driven snow until the evil Russians came along and pulled the curtain back, right?

Glass houses and all that.

The election is over Trump won. The only reason you're still banging on about it is because he's making such a pig's ear of being president.

For a change, I tend to agree with you on this, McG.

I used to call it "our big feet".

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-russia-christopher-steele-dossier-us-senate-intelligence-hotel-british-spy-mi6-evidence-a7608456.html?amp

McGentrix: So, you are going to compare Britain's efforts to tilt American elections toward a successful policy to save the advanced nations of the world from falling under totalitarianism to Putin' policy of trying to establish totalitarianism in Poland, Hungary, the Czech Republic and other Eastern European nations now free?

You guys have got things a little mixed up. The idea is to repel totalitarianism, not allow yourself to wind up living under it.

Not to mention a failed coup in Montenegro. I started a thread on it, but Putin's boys voted it down. They really don't like the truth.

https://able2know.org/topic/369924-1

So, as far as the comparisons between US meddling and the current activity by Russia — when I saw all the links you guys left I thought I was going to learn something new, that the US was engaged in massive cyber attacks and disinformation campaigns, and I was ready to eat crow for the second time today. But no, that stuff is 2oth Century chickenshit, Voice of America era. I accept that countries, like corporations, will interfere to prop up their brand. I honestly don't believe that's what's going on right now — it's more like Russia vs. the stability of the Western world. The way it connects with the rise of right wing populism in Europe and the USA is a much different dynamic than the efforts we've historically made to promote lackeys we could do bu$ine$$ with.

The don't understand the support for the right wing of Trump when his message is fear, xenophobe, bigotry, hate and divide.
Doesn't sound like the America I've been accustomed to for the past 50 years.